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February 9, 2004 at 9:52 am in reply to: Underground hangars, reprise #2692151

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And here is an aerial pic of the same airbase. You can see the two entrances to the cave hangar in the lower left of the pic.

February 9, 2004 at 9:51 am in reply to: Underground hangars, reprise #2692156

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Then you have Switzerland. Most airbases here have underground hangars, the ones i’ve seen all are pretty narrow (they don’t taxi in under their own power, but are pushed inside by a tractor, with some high quality driving by the tractor driver) but appearantly some hangars are high enough to lift planes up to the ceiling. This definately happened with Hunters, i don’t know if it is still done.

Here is an F-5E at Turtmann in front one of the hangar entrances.

February 9, 2004 at 9:34 am in reply to: Underground hangars, reprise #2692166

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…and their Croatian brethren at Divulje.

February 9, 2004 at 9:32 am in reply to: Underground hangars, reprise #2692170

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The excellent pics posted by djnik: MiG-21bis at the Slatina (Pristina) facilities.

February 9, 2004 at 9:23 am in reply to: Underground hangars, reprise #2692188

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Then there is this PLAAF mountain hangar of a more decent size. The base could be Huairen(Datong) or Anqing, both seem to be equipped with underground facilities.

February 9, 2004 at 9:15 am in reply to: Underground hangars, reprise #2692192

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The other China also has at least one airbase with underground facilities. From the centre of Hualien’s runway, there is a long taxiway leading to the mountains just east of the airbase where there are underground hangars. While Hualien is an F-16 airbase (12TRS with RF-16A’s and 5TFG with 17, 26 and 27 TFS with regular F-16s), it seems that the underground hangars here are used for more or less operational storage of F-5s and (although the latter seems wishful thinking) F-104s. You can see the taxiway on the left of the runway in this sattelite pic.

February 8, 2004 at 11:42 pm in reply to: Monino, Moscow – Any interest? #1818272

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Ah…. love the place. When i was there, it was open just for the two of us. Two days earlier, i was dead drunk and asked at the gate if i could visit then-and-then… They said it was OK, so that day we were allowed on. Even though it was officially closed as they told us – but what the heck, they had to be there anyway and somehow that drunk furriner was kind of funny.

Had a great tour, the tour guide was a former Il-4 navigator. So as for pic requests: the M50 Bounder will be very nice, and the Il-4 for the local propellerheads and my magnificent museum guide on that hot day in 1996!

February 8, 2004 at 11:34 pm in reply to: PAF's A-5s #2692394

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It carries an extra 1140 litres, here it is on a PAF F-6.

February 8, 2004 at 11:26 pm in reply to: Chinese Tu-4 AWACS #2692406

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Ken is right – the Tu-4 was lighter, had a better ceiling and i think it was actually slightly faster than the B-29. The reason for this was that the whole aircraft was completely redesigned/redrawn from front to tail, to make out of the Imperial standards B-29 an aircraft which can be made with Metrical tools and standards.

Which made the fast development of the Tu-4 even more of a technical feat, and at the same time proved nicely that the metric system is superior 🙂

February 8, 2004 at 11:22 pm in reply to: Underground airfields in Serbia #2692410

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Ah yes, as if pointing out redicilous Serb overclaiming for the 1999 conflict makes me somehow approve of that campaign. Nice try, but nono.

Now, back to topic. How many, you were saying?

February 8, 2004 at 11:19 pm in reply to: Anyone wants to buy some surplus aircraft:) #2692414

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Competitors on the warbird market (since i’m in a storage-picture mood)… IAR93s in open storage at Craiova.

February 8, 2004 at 11:13 pm in reply to: Anyone wants to buy some surplus aircraft:) #2692440

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Oraos on the warbird circuit… THAT i would like! Besides, one should be able to get them pretty cheap as well: just have the Yugoslavs and Romanians underbid each other.

It’s a jet i still haven’t seen flying, unfortunately. Although the storage line of the Romanian ones is impressive in it’s own right. (especially in the most miserable and depressing fog you’ve ever been in).

February 8, 2004 at 11:09 pm in reply to: Underground airfields in Serbia #2692448

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Did they? Two Apaches lost on training near Tirana > 13 tanks?

February 8, 2004 at 11:04 pm in reply to: RAF reserve planes #2692462

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Nope, i’m sorry. It’s just one i had on my HD, i believe it’s from one of those English organised civil/military trip. No harm intended by not crediting the photographer, if you’re the one then step on out and claim your rightful credit!

February 8, 2004 at 11:00 pm in reply to: Underground airfields in Serbia #2692467

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Those Apaches were all shot down by the heroic Albanian power and telephone lines :rolleyes:

Oh yeah, the German Phantom losses. NATO didn’t just do an excellent job in covering up their shootdowns, i guess it must have been Jamie Shea’s personal effort to keep the whole use of German F-4Fs out of public knowledge 😀 !

Good job in digging up that link, TJ. Even with my knowledge of French…
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