Phantom asked this on the Old Stuff board:
Arthur just how good was the Yak-28 as an interceptor and how many models of interceptor was there?
Fun thing was that the orginal short-nosed Yak-28P was never officially accepted into service, but in all 435 were built and delivered to the PVO. The problem was that the initial variant, armed with two R-8-M missiles, never passed it’s state tests until the production and deliveries had ended, and somehow for that reason operational acceptance was not given. As an interceptor, it was a great improvement range- and armaments-wise over the Su-9, but only short after the Yak-28P began being delivered the Su-15 came out too, which proved to be a far superior platform, especially when it came to speed and acceleration.
In 1966, a modified Yak-28P entered tests with uprated engines, additional pylons for two R60s next to it’s improved pair of R98 missiles and (most importantly) a longer nosecone which improved supersonic capabilities. This version was eventually cleared for service, and most original Yak-28P units had their aircraft reworked to Yak-28P long-nose variant (which never recieved a new designation). Despite the fact that the Su-15, MiG-23/25 and Tu-128 were superior aircraft, the Firebar had the major advantage that it could operate from runways of only about 1250m, which made it a useful aircraft in the far North and East of the Soviet Union. Only in 1988, 641IAP based on Nova Zemlya handed the last opeational Firebars.
Apart from these there were a few experimental Yak-28 interceptor variants (the up-engined Yak-28PM, the Yak-28-64 with fuselage mounted engines and the Yak-28URP with booster rocket) but these never entered service.
The pic shows a shortnosed one, supposedly during a deployment to Eastern Germany.
Will post a reply back on the original thread, i wouldn’t want to overwhelm the sweet smell of AvGas on this board with the lovely smell of kerosene 🙂
Abingdon, before 1991.
The thread is at http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19280&highlight=Yak27
There are some pics of the salvaging in the thread, and a little chat on Yak-27 and -28 survivors in Germany.
Thanks. I was wondering if it was Ray Hanna – i had heard of him before, but in all honesty i never cared all that much for the people inside the cockpit.
And yes, i do like piston-thingies a lot, although i really don’t like it when warbirds end up in fake markings or look better nowadays then they ever did during their operational careers. My favourite piston sightin was undoubtedly the I-17 prototype, lovely rare bird.
Now this definately needs a bit of context…
That exercises at Florennes was a TLP, a European multi-airforce multi-type exercise held three or four times a year in which the flying period revolves around operational scripts, rather than just silly DACT or one-on-one shootout stuff.
While the M2K-5’s performance as stated in the article (if accurate) is impressive, you must realise that this very likely happened when the Mirages were just the air-defense team defending against an incoming attack wave of the other aircraft mentioned. So most of those would have been strikers, not fighters. Also, it does not mention if and how the Mirages were supported. AWACS (French and NATO) also regularly join in with TLP exercises. Now if you realise that, the accomplishments of the M2K-5 in the drill is probably more the result of good tactics and support than just a good aircraft. Even though i have little doubt that the M2K-5 is an excellent fighter, it is not that much better than MLU’ed F-16s or F-4F-KWS’ which managed to get airborne.
Don’t worry, more questions are springing to mind (an excellent insomnia-cure btw) so i guess there’ll be another one in the near future.
And yours and Sean’s quizzes were excellent too… hint!
😀
Transall,
I’ve finished it now, the transports are there. As for the female accompanying the benign dictator: his harem is composed mostly of brunettes. Somehow i think something the likes of Pamela Anderson would only end up there as a gift.
😀
For a country led by a benign, tall, blonde, friendly but slighly odd dictator. Size of about Britain, and extremely wealthy.
Air Defense Force:
90 MiG-31M + 12 MiG-25PU (training)
140 F-104S-ASA-M-Abarth (ZELL barn-launched short range interceptors, manned SAM-idea) + 24 TF-104G (training)
8 Nimrod AEW5 (as AEW3 but with phased-array system – AWACS)
Frontal Aviation:
90 F-23 (long-range multirole)
120 JAS39D (short-range multirole) + 40 JAS39B (training + FFAC)
36 Su-34 (long-range interdictor)
8 Su-34PP (jammer)
12 Su-34R (recce)
3 IL-76PP (stand-off jammer)
104 Su-25TM (CAS + BAI) + 36 Su-25UBTM (gunless training + FAC + BAI)
Training:
24 L13 Blanik (glider)
6 PZL104 Wilga (glider tug)
48 IL-103 (initial training)
36 T-46 (basic training)
36 Yak-130 (LIFT, secondary combat role)
8 TC-140 Jetstar (multi-engine training)
8 Do-28D4 (para training)
48 EC120 (basic helo training)
12 Ka-60 (multi-engine helo training)
144 QF-16 (target drone)
Support / Transport:
8 Nimrod R.6 (ELINT, as Nimrod R.1)
6 Nimrod R.7 (ground mapping/surveillance, akin to E-8)
12 Nimrod K.8 (dedicated tanker)
8 HFB320ECM (ECM trainer)
8 A340 (long-range transport + tanker)
1 A340 (presidential)
1 A319 (presidential)
12 An-124 (long-range heavy transport)
40 IL-76 (heavy tactical / intermediate transport)
24 An-74 (tactical transport, UPAZ-pods for helo refuelling)
12 C-140 (VIP transport)
48 Do-28D4 (utility, hack, policework)
36 Ka-27PS (utility, hack, SAR, policework)
8 Merlin (CSAR)
Naval (land based)
24 Su-34 (ASuW, strike, TASMO)
18 Be-40 (long-range ASW, patrol)
18 Beriev-200 (short range ASW, patrol)
12 Beech 200 (environmental + fisheries patrol, multi-engine training, and for confusion with two kinds of Be-200 in service 😀 )
18 Merlin HAR (long-range SAR)
9 A90 Orlyonok (transport/assault ekranoplan)
3 Lun (ASuW ekranoplan)
72 QF-16 (target drone)
Naval (based aboard 3 STOVL carriers and smaller ships)
72 Yak-41 (STOVL fighter)
18 Yak-38U (STOVL trainer)
8 Ka-31 (AEW)
6 ‘Ka-31 Orchidee’ (ground surveillance radar)
36 Ka-27 (light shipborne ASW)
18 Ka-27PS (shipborne SAR, utility)
18 Merlin HAS (heavy shipborne ASW)
24 Merlin HACR (heavy shipborne transport/assault/CSAR)
Army:
72 Ka-50 (single-seat attack helo)
24 Ka-52 (dual-seat attack helo, Ka-50 mothership)
18 Mi-26 (heavy transport)
4 Mi-10PP (heavy jammer)
12 Mi-9 (command post)
12 Mi-8PPA/SMV (light jammers)
108 Mi-171 (armed assault)
108 Merlin (assault/transport/BlackOps)
8 ‘Ka-31 Orchidee’ (battlefield surveillance/tactical radar)
36 Ka-29 (light assault, latteral fire support, utility)
72 H500 (training, BlackOps)
24 Mi-24VP (combat training, BlackOps)
14 OV-1D (observation/recon)
18 RV-1D (tactical ELINT)
48 Do-28D4 (utility, light transport)
24 An-74 (transport, organic paradropping)
36 Yak-131 (organic CAS platform)
50 QF-16 (target drone)
75 QH-60 Wreck Hawk (target drone)
This is of course without the large Historical Flight, which is beyond the scope of this thread, i presume.
Damn, i’m stupid… i’ve actually seen that one myself. I’m actually glad there is no F-104 in the background, otherwise it could well have been one of my own photos :rolleyes:
Of you both i’m really fond,
but if you want a marriage merry.
Invite some people from ‘cross the pond,
So they can thrash a ferry.
Of you both i’m really fond,
but if you want a marriage merry.
Invite some people from ‘cross the pond,
So they can thrash a ferry.
Resolution 1466, on the relations between Ethiopia and Eritrea.
http://ods-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N03/282/40/PDF/N0328240.pdf?OpenElement
Resolution 1466, on the relations between Ethiopia and Eritrea.
http://ods-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N03/282/40/PDF/N0328240.pdf?OpenElement