Yeah!
Someone set up us the bomb
All your base belong to us!
You are on the way to destruction…
You have no chance to survive make you time hahaha
I’ve got a great SWF file with the intro of the computer game, and an extremely catchy/annoying piece of music behind it. Anyone in for this 1,6 mb, just let me know.
Yeah!
Someone set up us the bomb
All your base belong to us!
You are on the way to destruction…
You have no chance to survive make you time hahaha
I’ve got a great SWF file with the intro of the computer game, and an extremely catchy/annoying piece of music behind it. Anyone in for this 1,6 mb, just let me know.
Somehow i don’t think this one will survive the Webmaster’s good taste… but whenever i start rhyming, things tend to get out of hand.
That most magnificent man,
who proved that one can,
Still satisfy your ****
By finding that rare chick
Who frequents, quite insane,
a place devoted to the airplane.
Because most are not so fortunate,
in relieving oneself on the internet.
Flood definately steals the show:
surfing the web with just one window!
While the rest of us has to switch screens,
Between combat jets and horny teens
Floods uses this place for inspiration
Both aviation-wise and masturbation.
And now we wait for the child first-born
Through aviation cyberporn!
Somehow i don’t think this one will survive the Webmaster’s good taste… but whenever i start rhyming, things tend to get out of hand.
That most magnificent man,
who proved that one can,
Still satisfy your ****
By finding that rare chick
Who frequents, quite insane,
a place devoted to the airplane.
Because most are not so fortunate,
in relieving oneself on the internet.
Flood definately steals the show:
surfing the web with just one window!
While the rest of us has to switch screens,
Between combat jets and horny teens
Floods uses this place for inspiration
Both aviation-wise and masturbation.
And now we wait for the child first-born
Through aviation cyberporn!
L’Anarchie pour le UK.
L’Anarchie pour le UK.
I would try and get a transfer. Those Guard tankers usually fly back for the weekend…
Originally posted by SOC
Dunno if they train on both methods or not, but it would seem logical to at least have both options available-they can tank from US -135s or Dutch KDC-10s during NATO operations.
I think they do. RAF E-3D’s drop by at Geilenkirchen quite regularly, especially when one of the deployed KC-135s (we get two-ship ANG 135s here on a continuous rotational basis, so Sean if you’d like to come over… both 117 and 127 ARS/KS ANG are pretty regular) is flying around too. The 135s are here both for support and for training.
The boom-method nowadays used by the whole USAF is a reminder of the day when SAC was the dominant force within it. They needed tankers for their huge bomber fleet, and obviously the boom method was far more effective for this than the low-capacity probe method. Also, because bombers were big aircraft multi-aircraft refuellings (like probe-equipped fighters can do from multi-hose equipped tankers) was out of the question anyway.
Being the dominant arm in the USAF, it was SAC which got to buy the KC-135s from Boeing. And since SAC didn’t need any probe-equipped tankers, none were bought. Obviously, TAC was not happy about this since they were operating quite a few probe-equipped fighters from the 1950s on, which were perfectly capable of drinking fuel from a KC-97. The F-100 and F-104 for example have always been probe-refuellable fighters, and the F-105 prototypes also had retractable probes (so there are more than just the A-7 and F-4). Of course, when later light combat aircraft like the F-5 and A-37 were found in need of a refuelling capability, it was simply impossible to cram a boom receptacle in those small airframes so they got probes as well.
Although i doubt SAC was deliberately a selfish ass in their preferred way of refuelling, it’s interesting to note that MPRS KC-135s only really entered after SAC and TAC were merged together to form Air Combat Command.
Is the Russian A-50 equipped with IFR?
Yep.
What does that has to do with what I have written?
I just wrote that the main reason to the cancellation of the Lavi was the pressure of the US.
Would you be a little less grumpy if you knew i was partly Jewish?
Or would you be a little more grumpy if you knew i was partly Arab?
😉
I found your remark on the Lavi’s cancellation a tad suggestive, so i thought i would give you some factual background. Now if you think those have nothing to do with each other, i think you should check the synapses in your central neural system.
Pulled this one back on topic as this visit seems to have inspired some Tom Clancy-wannabees into launching PLAAF Tu-22M3 theories…
While according to the article the Chinese delegation visited the Sukhoi parking lot at Zhukovskii (which is not that far from Tupolev’s area, but with some trees in between) for obvious marketing reasons, a similar visit to the Tupolev ramp would not have made any sense at all. For the simple reason that while upgraded Flankers (with sales potential) operate from Zhukovskii, i can’t think of any use of the few Backfires there for anything which might interest a potential export customer. If you want to get some up, close & personal experience on the Backfire, they would have gone to a base like Ryazan or Solcy.
I personally would think that the Chinese delegation would have some interest in seeing the organisation of a central flight test establishment like Zhukovskii where not only the state test agency is based (LII), but also the individual design bureaus.
GD,
Apart from large numbers of tankers and refuellable aircraft, the Backfire might be the only way for the PLAAF to employ offensive airpower in a conflict with India at all. And don’t stare yourself to blindly on the monkey-version thing. That was something from the days when Soviet aircraft were still given to allies/friendly countries/useable countries. Today, Russian aircraft are sold to make money, and somehow exporting monkey versions isn’t the right way to do so. The only think monkey-like about the Su-27SK i can think of is the ECM gear which was considered to be of to great strategic importance.
Vortex,
You are absolutely correct. That’s why i don’t give much credence to this story, especially since it’s a rumour born in the Chinese delegation’s visit to Zhukovskii (more on that in the thread on that, i want to put some on-topic posts on this board occasionally 😉 ).
Lavi mythology
Originally posted by DeepSpace
[B]I think we should remind you WHY the Lavi was cancelled. The Lavi was cancelled because of US pressure on Israel, and the US gave us 60 F-16C/D Block 40 (30 C’s and 30 D’s). Why? because the US was afraid that the Lavi will take up the place of the F-16 in the light fighters market.
The Lavi was cancelled primarily because it was going to be hugely expensive, and it would not have been Israel but the US coughing up that money. If you don’t read the book ght of the Lavi: Inside a U.S.-Israeli Crisis by Dov S. Zakheim, at least read the review at http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/1196/9611055.htm . Don’t forget the subtle mentioning of the 730 US firms providing support in the design and development of the Lavi either.
Don’t remember that US assistance only came in with the post-1982 Lavi, when it was suddenly decided to become an advanced multi-role fighter in stead of the relatively simple A-4 replacement it was originally ment to be. Indigenously, Israel could well have been able to design a relatively simple attack and CAS aircraft, but when the requirements for the Lavi were increased, so was the amount of expertise Israel lacked in designing and developing such an aircraft. Which were Pratt and Whitney PW1120 engines; graphite epoxy composite materials; electronic countermeasures (ECM) parts; radar-warning receivers and their logarithms; wide-angle, heads-up display; programmable signal-processor emulator; flight-control computer; single-crystal turbine technology; and computer and airframe system. (see http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/apj/3fal90.html ).
All this exagguration of the Backfire’s value against CVGBs… The only country not making that mistake was the Soviet Union itself. The only way the Tu-22M can be effective by any moderately aware CVBG is by a massive regiment-sized saturation attack with external targeting support, preferably something stealthy like a hidden frigate nearby with a Ka-25TS helo, or with a lot more risk a Tu-95RTs or something like that. And even so, such attacks would not be sustainable at all. Sinking one carrier would IMHO be all you could hope for if you don’t have a really significant (let’s say 3 regiments or 60-75 aircraft) number of Backfires.
The Soviets knew. That’s why most of their Backfires were with the DA and tasked with attacking priority land targets and heavy theatre bombing.
And i think it’s exactly in the theatre bombing role that the PLAAF could make best use of the Backfire, the likely theoretical enemy here being India. This is because the PLAAF has a geographical disadvantage in case of a conflict with India: not only are airbases on the Chinese side of the border relatively rare, they also have the annoying tendency to be placed high in the mountains versus IAF bases which are on the foot of the Himalaya. This means that Indian aircraft take-off in much denser air which will give them a far better payload. Chinese aircraft, in the thin mountain air, will really be struggling to get airborne with a decent payload.
Enter the Backfire.
It can take off a little further from the border at some airstrip a little closer to sea level. With that, the PLAAF would have a platform which can bring a decent payload south. Now if you’d fit that Backfire with guided bombs (GLONASS/GPS/Galileo like, or laser-guided with buddy lasing from whatever the PLAAF has available), the Backfire could be used as a heavy MiG-27. A role which i think it can perform in an outstanding way.
On a more realistic level however, i think it’s one of those theories destined to be proven BS. Or, even worse, which might inspire poor novel writers.
What’s the problem with somebody making an error, or not knowing something completely? We’re here on a public forum not only to debate and have fun but (IMHO) also to help others with an interest matching our own. Now what’s wrong if you can help someone expanding his knowledge (and hence his base of opinion)?
There is nothing idiotic about mentioning the J-2 or J-4 if you aren’t all too well informed about Chinese MiGs, especially if you consider these errors are very widespread and long-lasting. It only becomes idiotic if you stick to such errors after being corrected.
GoldenDragon,
Thanks for that.