Griffon rocker cover. No idea on the date of manufacture!
Glad it found its way home okay. 🙂
Things are easily visible in the bomb bay, and while its sometimes a bit dirty its generally pretty good. To the point you can still find pencil markings and scribblings that date to Bitteswell in 1978. I think you underestimate just how heavily protected the Shackleton was for its maritime – and later AEW – role. The preparation and paint was superb, which was has helped an awful lot. Making sure everything is correctly weatherproofed (hundreds of yards of ceconite) paid off in spades and it was something that was carried out regularly.
The ‘dormant’ years of 1991 – 97 weren’t really as quiet as everyone thinks. Although WR963 was heavily robbed for parts, she was also used as a test bed for overhauled components for WL790. There’s about a three year gap from when ‘790 left to when the revived SPT started their work and put her into the 38 Sqn colours.
While I might have my issues with the project currently, I’m confident of what I was told by outside professionals that were brought in to assess things. I’m keeping my fingers crossed.
On its way tomorrow morning first thing (your address hasn’t changed has it? In which case I have it.). Was away last week, and got engaged…
Care to qualify that last sentance? I don’t believe I bumped into you while we were looking deep in the structure over the past year, and the couple of inspections done by those in authority suggested we were (at that time) on the right lines. So not really that naive. I know you have a thing for getting airframes under cover, but it doesn’t damn every single one that isn’t to have hidden unrepairable damage. Its a lot longer than 25 years outside – 1954 to 1991 was primarily outdoors too.
Thanks for the comments regarding my stint guys, I’m looking to help out with another project oop north. I’m not done with historic aviation yet!
Regards,
Rich
Well, some six years after it started my part in WR963’s adventure has ended.
I’m not sure quite how or why, but internal politics passed me by and it seems that raising my child wasn’t deemed an acceptable use if my spare time, so what started as a leave of absence has become a permanent one and I’ve been pretty much cold shouldered since November. More recently I’ve come to disagree to a change in stance which is starting to use methods I’m less than comfortable with – in that for the first time I can remember you won’t be able just to turn up on a Saturday and look at the Shackleton, and will have to pay a significant amount and book in advance. We always said there would be no barriers, and now there are; both physical and financial.
I’m also not keen on how things have taken on a lack of transparency in the state of the Trust, and the health of the aircraft, resulting in little to no updates on engineering matters on forums, which has put me directly in the firing line over sanitised reports and lack of information.
I’m happy I left the aircraft in better state than I found it; and that my last chance to run up the Griffons was for the taxy run in front of a massive crowd.
Regards,
Rich
Awesome. Work to be proud of for sure.
In simple terms, the Shackleton is a direct evolution, as was the Lancaster, from the Manchester design. There are several drawings that are common across all of them, and you’ll find Manchester spars and nose ribs in the horizontal surfaces of the tailplane, and the drawings refer to them as parts that will fit anything from “Manchester 33ft tailplane” right the way through. Similarly the spar booms are Lancaster drawings and only really the fuselage and tail fins are a mostly new design. Cockpit side windows and windscreens are straight out of the Lancaster.
The wing – the dimensions don’t change, as again its an evolution. The distance between engine centres is identical on the centre section at 23 ft 9 in, and 13 ft 3 in between inboards and outboards. The wing section is the same too. The dihedral changes from Lancaster to Lincoln (which was originally the Lancaster B.IV) and the span is increased by the extended tip section to 120 feet from the original 102 feet. The intermediate section was modified to use bag fuel tanks intead of the metal versions.
The Lincoln GR (later renamed Shackleton) inherited the same wing, as did the Tudor. The wing is roughly modified; this can be seen in the inboard flap area, its built as a full length flap but is split into two sections as the extension of the nacelle doesn’t fold with the flap any more. The last iteration is the Avro Type 733, and I was astounded to find these draings in the Shackleton archive at Coventry. This is the modification of the Shackleton MR3 wing for use on the AW Argosy. Depending on what you want to class as the heart of the aircraft; I’d class it as part of the family – even if its only a cousin.
When you look at the wing design, and its evolutions, its an impressive list.
Manchester
Lancaster
York
Lancastrian
Lincoln
Tudor
Ashton
Shackleton
Argosy
Not a bad run, all in all.
Hi Mark,
The fault is entirely mine, I’ve had a very rough year personally and professionally which has impacted a lot of things – the latest in a long stream of upsets being moving house just before xmas – the second move in 6 months. As many will have noticed, I’ve had to step away from the Shackleton project as I don’t have the time to be able to devote to it, and moved off a lot of the forums as I’m just not in front of the computer as much. I didn’t get your e-mail – it may be with someone at SPT if it went to one of the addresses listed. Mine is biggles2000_99 (at) yahoo.com.
The exhaust is reboxed and ready to go along with a UHF controller from either WL790/WR963. It will be with you shortly and I’m trying to get it away today.
It shouldn’t have taken this long and I’m sorry for any worries or distress I may have caused.
Regards,
Rich
Those cylinder heads look gorgeous. Do Retro manufacture them in house, or farm them out to another company? I know in the historic racing car world people like Crosthwaite and Gardiner have been casting new engine blocks, cylinder heads and all sorts for all manner of exotic machinery, so its surprising that its taken as long to filter into the historic aircraft world.
Main wheels should be ready for collection (fingers crossed) by end of play Saturday. They’re ground use only I’m afraid, so don’t get too ambitious!
Fascinating drone footage. The Shack looks oddly mystical for being in such an advanced state of decay. I hope something of it is saved.
The plan is to save all of it.
The main problem is a lot of stuff is seized up & unwilling to budge, but we’re getting there with minimal force. 🙂
Main wheels …certainly getting close now Rich, so stand by!
Good to hear. We’ll get two mains picked out and get them as close to the door as we can ready for when you need them, I don’t fancy trying to dig them out in a rush. They’re a tad heavy!
I’ve also just had news from our archivist 5 mins ago – we have found the main landing gear leg drawings.
How’s it going with the tailwheel? We’ve just come across ALL the Dowty drawings for Shackleton tail undercarriage – leg, shock absorber, retract struct, hydraulic ram, the works… so nothing is insurmountable there. We’re still trying to track down the main gear leg drawings.
Do I need to be getting two spare mainwheels ready on Saturday?
🙂
But now it seems the few that have the surplus would rather hang onto it than sell for the proper market value. The recent destruction of Lynx fuselages that failed to make the absurd asking price says it all, so if they don’t sell the fuselages who will buy the parts.
This seems to happen rather more often lately; and I don’t understand it at all, I know of a couple of Rolls Royce Meteor engines that were destroyed (Not Gloster, the Merlin derived tank engine). Ask a ridiculous price and don’t get it, so destroy the item and sell for scrap for less than an enthusiast would pay; and way less than the original asking price. In some regards its almost spiteful, and seems a smart way to kill off further sales of parts.