Logistically although difficult its not impossible to move a Shackleton by road. It wouldn’t be the first time its happened and I’ll venture that if WR963 did move she wouldn’t be the last one either. If anything is at a shortage it would be manpower, but we have had several offers of help on that front from various other groups.
For the moment we’re okay to stay where we are, but getting visitors on site is bit of a problem. Midland Air Museum are a great bunch of people, but they can’t really accomodate WR963 as she is, both in terms of room and in that she is live in most respects. Even if she were outside their boundary fence to be accesible, I doubt the airport would be happy at the risk posed.
nostalgair brought up an interesting point though which I hadn’t thought of (I’m still thinking to some extent of things as they are now.) the hangars at Coventry are going to be empty in the next few months. I wonder what the going rate would be for space?
2008m works out as 6588ft, so I’m not sure where Denis’ figures come from unless he got his units mixed. However, at over 6500ft that puts Coventry’s runway well above the 5500 he mentioned for ‘special dispensation’…
I’m confused. Was this misinformation, or assumption? :diablo:
I stand corrected just what I was told….. anyway the CAA will not permit a landing on less than 6000yds….5500 as a special dispensation as they did a Coventry last year for Help the Heros Charity
I think you need to check your figures. I don’t think Coventry is quite that long given that their information lists 05/23 as 2008m. Yard and meters aren’t wildly different enough for it to grow quite that much to let a Vulcan in…
Still lets the moisture through, unfortunately. 🙁
We already have thick steel plates under the mainwheels to prevent sinkage.
Peter,
I believe so, and it might happen once everythings settled at Coventry, but thats some months away yet.
Thanks Peter.
I had a good chat with Mike Rankin when he was last up at Coventry regarding WR982 and the situation at Gatwick, and some similarities between both our situations did crop up then.
The worst/most annoying thing about an aircraft as large as the Shackleton being outside, is the effect of moisture – particularly when parked on grass. Its irritating to know that there’s bits in the structure we can’t get to that are probably suffering from the elements. When we had WR963 in the hangar for a week, it was like working on a different aircraft. Everything dried out properly for once, and stayed that way.
Whatever happens, in the short term, until a decision is reached following my meetings with the Trustee’s we carry on. WR963 will be staying very much live. I can’t see our guys stopping running the aircraft, but there’s got to be a new way found to let other people enjoy the experience which is where a bit of my own frustration is coming from.
In other news…
SPT will be attending the IPMS Scale Modelworld at Telford this weekend with the nose of MR1/T4 VP293. If you’re there too, come over and say hello!
There’s some letters gone out to interesting places this week that should hopefully scotch long held beliefs about Shackletons, and tell me whether things are legally possible or not regarding seeing one do what it was designed for.. Its been difficult to get anywhere when getting information from out of date sources and rumour. I’ll be posting answers if and when I get them.
Kind regards,
Rich
One of them is a gate guard and I don’t have much info about it. The other is under restoration and has a website.
http://www.proyectoavrolincoln.com.ar/nosotros.html
You might need an online translator as it doesn’t appear to have an English language page.
Jim,
Regarding Avro Lincolns, other than the one at Cosford there’s most of one in Australia, two complete examples in Argentina and a wreck in Canada.
For those who mentioned the Shackleton, well… I’m going to go beg and plead with our Trustees, and see what comes of it. I’ve outlined my reasons in WR963’s thread.
Regards,
Rich
Hi all – just to let you know we’re still at it working away on WR963. There’s a lot of hard work going on off site to start some serious fundraising now that we’ve lost the visitor numbers we’ve enjoyed for a while. Coventry seems to have lost a little of its spirit though and its taking us a little while to find our stride again.
Anyway, I have something I’d like to throw up for discussion…
Several times recently I’ve sat and thought about what we’re doing. With the Airbase collection moving away from Coventry you can’t help but question the reason for WR963 remaining. Also, is there a point to continuing to run WR963, rather than looking at the possibility of getting her tucked up nice and warm indoors at a national museum?
Without being part of something bigger it sometimes feels to me like we’re just trying to prolong the inevitable decline by keeping the engines running at great cost both monetary and in parts. As public access is severely limited now there’s little enjoyment to gain if no-one can see what we’re doing with a largely static aircraft in the middle of a lonely airport.
I feel there are two options open in the near future.
One will be to seek a permanent retirement home for WR963, as support at Coventry Airport will become harder to find for efforts as they are. Honour the ‘Preservation’ part of our groups title, which isn’t really about turning Avgas into noise however satisfying it is.
Two is to take the step that everyone seems to keep avoiding, and look at getting a Shackleton in the air again. There has been several attempts to get a Shackleton to fly in the past; with each attempt chipping away at the known issues and red tape and getting that one step closer, but never to the desired end result.
I’m going to seek a meeting with the Trustees with regard to both options (flight and true retirement) as time is ticking on – but I would welcome thoughts. Do you think it can be done? If not why not? What would be your concerns? Do you think it time for WR963 to bow out gracefully?
Please bear in mind these are NOT the official views of the SPT, just the thoughts of one person within it.
Kind regards,
Rich
Air Atlantique didn’t respar the Lancaster, it was done by BAe. I’d be interested to know how they got five sets though, as it was supposedly remaining material from the Shackleton respar program, and not newly sourced stuff.
They are similar – and not just in the raw state, but nowhere near same. Basic shape is close, especially in the centre section. Outer wings are way different, more so in the MR3. Don’t forget – the MR3 was so different it recieved a new type number!
The attachment of skins to the spars is different in the Shackleton too – I believe the Lancaster and Lincoln are rivetted, while the Shackleton uses screws. To get them drilled correctly, the old spars from PA474 were used as a pattern. Wise move, when you consider that each of the last 12 Shack’s has its own set of drawings for the spar; so I’ll bet each Lancaster varies wildly.
Our contract says we have to allow access to the drawings to the MOD when requested, so if and when they need some more spars, they will no doubt be made. That will be interesting to follow, as I believe the original material has now been superseded.
To be accurate, I believe that the material used was left over from the Shackleton spar work, but obviously it was actually machined into a Lancaster spar!
The spar drawings for the Shackleton were retained by BAe until the work on PA474 was complete. Having had a look at them I can understand why; as it shows all the material specs, the machining for the blanks and loads more info.
The video is an old one. This was before WL790 went to Midland.
bureaucratic issues were the ones involving the CAA and the fatigue life issue – meaning a return to the UK would have seen WL790 grounded unless replacement spars and other structure was done.
WL790 was kept at Midland with the CAF and borrowed hangar space a couple of times. She was retired to Pima Air Museum at the end of 2007, which to date is the last flight by a taildragger Shackleton. 1722 in South Africa did a couple of flights in 2008 before being grounded.
Currently there are no flying Shackletons anywhere in the world. 🙁
Interested in Shackleton covers if any are found. Particularly MR2/AEW2 nose and tail covers!
Didin’t get chance to get a photo of the other plaque due to being involved in too many other things at work. I will however… just not as soon as I want!
I like this thread… its reminded me not to take where I live for granted.