haha, thats being a little pedantic isnt it? Increasing numbers of people are blissfully unaware that chinaman is an old slur as it’s not in common usage anymore and by namesake it appears to hold no racist connotations.

No at all, the phrase ‘chinaman’ is a racist slur no matter what circles you move in and through its usage gate has proven himself to be a racist.

The boat Polmar refers to is TK-20 Severstal, the man who got the medal was Rear-Adm. Makejev, he was not the commanding officer of the boat, rather the commander of the whole operation.
Typhoon’s sail is very sturdy and has specific profile just for the purpose of ice-breaking. Sure, some anechoic tyles will come off, there will be dents, but nothing dramatic or impairing the boat or it’s mission.

Submarines have internals as well.

Reading arthuros post just over half way down page herehttp://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=86855&page=5
it seems the Typhoon II could be a very bad choice for the RAF and others!

Thats what is known as nationalistic fanboy nonsense. Typhoon will be as useful a any other aircraft as long as it is integrated with the right systems.

What kind of stupid question is that?

The sub that did it didn’t fall apart now did it?

It’s not punching through 10 meters of concrete. It’s 2 meters of ice. Clearly a design parameter – one that doesn’t endanger the submarine.

Wow you are ignorant, sure the sub might not be endangered but the consequences of such forces are going to damage internal systems etc, in case of nuclear war such damage may be justifiable but it may also force the sub back to port. Have you ever slammed a car into brick wall…….its the same effect.

You would change your mind after they have dropped few clusters on your head..

No I wouldnt.

Racist? My parents were born in India. They moved to the UK for a better quality of life. Are they racist for leaving there?

I used to find this board very interesting. But the attitude of certain members is very rude. For that reason, I will never post or visit again.

It’s all yours.

Good, anybody who uses the phrase ‘Chinaman’ is not welcome anyway and the loss of your racist attitude will be to the benefit of us all. Of course the real reason for your departure is your inability to provide any support for your assertions that the UK needs a massive increase in its defence budget.

Unless there the fleets AShM’s have land attack capability then the answer is very limited. I have no reason to believe that any of the AShM’s in the Black Sea Fleet have land attack capability.

At least I am not rude, arrogant and pig headed sir. Your opinion is not fact. Your opinion is simply that….opinion.

I have cited multiple statements from reputable sources like the agency developing the actual system under debate (the US Missile Defense Agency)that state that there has not been enough operationally realistic testing. I have cited government reports and congressional testimony that state that significant quantities of the technology already deployed are not mature and will not be so for a number of years. That you have consistently shown no interest in even addressing them speaks to your lack of understanding of the arguments those on the other side of the article are making.

And all you can come back with are insults and statements that you cannot prove. It works you say. it has worked you say. it will work you say. The North Korea example you cite proves that you can read but not comprehend what you read as well as you claim.

But at the end of the day you will lose this argument. Obama will do the sensible thing and kill this boondoggle. You and the NeoCons can cry all you want but it is a flawed technology that does not work as advertised.

Again, it has intercepted numerable targets, it works, only your ignorance is blinding your from those facts.