I thought that India had procured the Trenton more as a humanitarian asset for post Tsunami type scenarios rather than as a true combat vessel?:confused:

If you haven’t noticed, my position is based on a caveat. There is no need for me to show proof of whether the 054A has a radar output integrator on board or not, since I have declared that I don’t know. The thing is, if one doesn’t know, one cannot establish a firm position as tphuang did, that the 054A is better than the OHP in low-E target detection/tracking. Since he did, it is incumbent on him to prove that radar output integration exists in the 054A. Unfortunately, he has not done so, and probably will not be able to do so.

As for my position that the OHP is better than the 054A in low-E target detection, should the 054A not have radar output integration, I have already explained it before in my earlier posts. Datafuser has also added more info. His post should be a pretty clear illustration of how radar output integration should not be confused with radar integration under a combat system.

Sorry but you have no proof and neither does anybody else in this thread so it is all realy rather pointless.

Well, I think it would better if what comes out next were new SSN/SSBN rather than Ships or A/C carriers. That off-course would mean we will be having a major drought in terms of picture. But, IMHO more newer SSN/SSBN/SSK would be the best thing for the PLAN. I mean, did you recently read some of the info on the HMS Astute? 😮

Based on what I have been reading the PLAN has been building new SSN’s/SSBN’s whilst they have been getting the new surface combatants. Based on available evidence it seems like the PLAN’s procurement process is very balanced.

I have to agree with Unicorn on this, we have no idea what the final configuration will be for the Australian vessels. The other problem is that the T45 is a serious victim of the ‘fitted for but not with’ mantra- something which greatly confuses the issue.

No we cannot, but what we see already from the outside is enough to determine that the ship is clearly related to OPH. But I think this is one of the “taste” isssues so I think its pointless to argue it further, don’t you think?

Once again, we can not see the internals, we ca not see below the water line, the pictures are conjecture and their creator said he tried to keep them as close to the OHP as possible- ie, they are his interpretation.

The Lords are the movers and shakers of the UK. They are mostly born into money and their place within. When their kin decided to move to submarines it was a done deal.

I suggest you go and research the modern poiltical structure of the UK, you are grossly uninformed.:eek:

Vulcan was an enigma to the house of Lords. It represented the height of the cold war. By that time NATO was pushing for a nuclear deterrent based on intermediate range missiles and standoff cruise missiles, which were not a part of the Vulcan plan form. The UK moved to dependence on the submarine force. Perhaps if Vulcan had assumed cruise missiles it would of survived.

It did move to cruise missiles, it was called the Blue Steel.:rolleyes: The reason it did not survive was becouse it was reaching the end of its life and was eating resources at a massive rate. Any viable replacement would have been prohibitively expensive for the UK. The bit about the house of Lords does not even make sense.

??? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: ???
The relevance to OPH in certain key shipbuilding areas such as hull form and placing of porpulsion is the ones that makes it easy to spot as a cousin to OPH. Superstructures can change dramatically, but that that doesent alone make a ship, almoust quite contrary.
Martin’s drawing takes some liberties IMO, but in the “conjectural drawing” the relevance almoust hits you in the eye

Seeing as we cant see below the waterline or any of the internals and these pictures are conjecture I think that is pushing it a bit.