sealordlawrenceBest Airforce in Europe in 2010? ( Multi-page thread 1 2 3 4 )
DutchySee the vote there. The AF with the best capabilities in independent operations was selected. It seems that there are other important items in need, than just the number of fighters available.
The Apaches are already available (although part of the army so irrelevant to your mentioned thread) and the utility helicopters have just been ordered, albeit a decade too late and probably in to few numbers.
sealordlawrenceThe way I see it, China can make a pretty strong claim for taking Taiwan, they havnt got any serious territorial claims outside of Taiwan, so just let them have it and svae everybody the trouble of a global war.
sealordlawrenceRomanian Navy Type-22 Frigate don’t have any kind of weapons on them except the OTO Melara gun. Supposely the additional weapons will be addded during seccond upgrade program 2007-2008.
Marasesti was launched as pasager carrier. at least the hull. Then designated Cruiser -> Destroyer and finally Frigate. And no way in hell can’t reach more than 28kt on its engines. The ship server more likelly as experience gathering for the Military ships building for Romania. In my opinion the Tetal2 looks a lot better than Marasesti.
As a mention , not a single Romanian Navy ship has a SAM system mounted (except some SA-7 MANPADS). ASW was presentin the orm of sonars and grenade launchers.
I have seen several sources claiming that the Romanian Type-22’s have VL-Mica fitted, with the VLS cells being located where the Sea-wolf radar director would have originally been mounted.
sealordlawrenceI don’t think this was particularly unexpected, they have been running on short numbers for most things in recent years
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5136594.stm
I guess this once again highlights the shortage of transport helicopters the British army has, due to it trying to run two major operations at once. This problem has been mentioned on these pages quite a bit lately. I think its time the government got the cheque book out before they get a bloody nose.
They should stop trying to do these things on the cheap 🙁
The thing is they do get their chequebook out, they just write the cheques for endless feasibility and finance studies which usually conclude that the idea they are studying is inapropriate and therefore they need to do another study.
For this deployment Apaches and Merlins should have been sent in force and some of the new 155mm lightweight howitzers that BAe offers should have been procured of the shelf, instead an ill-equiped force with too few troops has been sent to do a job which the MoD claims is one thing but is in effect something completely different.
sealordlawrenceWasn’t the Marlin one of the types offered to the Republic of China Navy (Taiwan) about a decade ago but then the French changed their mind due to China’s presuring.
Almost certainly a different design with the name now being re-used. The current design is supposedly being offered to pakistan.
sealordlawrenceThere is very little available about this project. At them moment it is purely a paper design. It is possible to assume that it is intended to be a better boat than the Type-214 which is regarded as a superior boat to the Scorpene by many. It will likely take technology and expertise from the research being done for frances next generation SSN’s.
sealordlawrenceNavy all set to get mig-29k , Senior test pilots send to moscow
Does the thread “Indian navy news and discussion” confuse you? :rolleyes:
sealordlawrenceEither that or it’s an error, considering the previous article said it’s an error. But what’s all this talk about Zhuk-ME? The article is saying the radar for the indigenous upgraded MiG will be superior to the export version- does that then not make it Zhuk-M?
I still find it amazing they’re going to completely replace the N019, when the Su-27SM still has an upgraded N001.
Mig has been partly funding the flight tests of the Zhuk-MF, so that radar is a possibility as well.
The replacement of the radar is not that surprising when you sonsider that the Su-27SM upgrade is likely going to be replaced with the Su-27BM upgrade which will fit the Irbis radar.
sealordlawrenceJeez if they are able to get anything you have mentioned into even testing in 10 years time then I’d be very very very surprised as it took a lot more then that for the experienced and technologically more advanced and recourcfull USAF to get the F-22 and F-35 up and running.
I meant 10 years at least before we see a prototype, not fully inducted combat squadrons. And whether the next generation of chinese aircraft will come up to the current F-22/JSF standards is up for debate.
sealordlawrenceThe radar is the least of the problem as they can build up theie fleet of AWACS over the years however the main issue is the physical RCS of the aircraft and the ordinance,aswell as Jugs.
They are working on that as well, although now we are talking about at decade down the road if not more. There seem to be two programmes, one aimed at producing a new type of F-22 type aircraft and one which looks like a twin engined stealthified J-10, at the moment it is almost certain that neither exist as anymore than computer generated models or wind tunnel models.
sealordlawrenceYou surely mean LPI features !! The RCS would still be quite large (F-16 sized before treatment?)..
the USAF and USN are probably averagin only about 50-60% of that with the procurment of F-22A and F-18E/F however the no.s will go up when the JSF’s heavy per year procurment comes into play.
Sorry yes, one of the aims to try and make the whole platform stealthier, to what extent this will be achieved is anybodys guess at this stage.
sealordlawrencethat is not half as bad as i expected. i would think the harrier would not be much better. has all the Kiev class “carriers” been decomissend as well ??????.
Yup, their all gone with the exception of the former Gorshkov which is being rebuilt as a STOL carrier for India.
sealordlawrenceLOL! Flex, true to form as always. What has your comment got to do with the number of fighters China is building?
Time to try and clear a few things up. Thus far it is believed that over a 100 J-10’s have been built with production increasing, there may are at least two production lines, possible three, as yet none of them have TVC. But, TVC AL-31FM1 engine have been ordered and there are reports claiming that the chinese are working on a PESA radar for the next J-10 variant., with perpetual rumours that it will have significant RCS features. But as yet it has not flown. Around 300 AL-31’s have been ordered so far for the J-10 programme and the WS-10A has passed all its certification tests- there is evidence to suggest that TVC is being developed for it but it has yet to power a J-10.
The J-11B may also be in production and the JH-7A is still being turned out, at the high end of the calculations it is possible that the PLAAF and PLANAF may be inducting upto a 100 new 4th generation combat aircraft a year in the coming years.
Despite this and for the time being, the US could still make the PLAAF and PLAN dissapear in a matter of days if they realy wanted too, of course what would happen then is unchartered territory. This is a situation that is likely to change dramatically in the next 4 decades with the chinese economy predicted to overtake that of the US before 2050, and probably around 2040. The pace of technological development in the PRC is astounding although not without its foreign influences.
flex makes a very valid point, however strong the US military is, knowone in their right mind picks a fight with their banker. 😉
sealordlawrenceOne News Says this on LLQRM requirement
Certainly good news for both Israeli Industry and the Indian armed forces, Spyder is obviously a great system. But with the IN heavily committed to the Barak and now this it dosnt leave much scope for Trishul.
Thats a great pic Harry, What were the circumstances around it?
sealordlawrenceWhich is the reason why many of us repeatedly pointed out the implicit error in your categorical denouements, something which you reacted to with vitriol.
If you actually follow the reports, they indicate the standard trail of PTI, IANS, local orgs, then AFP cited in Defense news etc…same thing getting recycled ad nauseum..
It is clear that you dont have substantive experience with local reportage of CAG/ PAC etc and are just content with the google thingy…fine..your choice..
Unfortunately many of us, who have been burnt by these very same “sources”- whether it be Times of India and even Defense News (which thanks to its local reporter Vivek Raghuvanshi maintains a keel of 50% accuracy and 50% bilge), will continue to hanker for caution!
I am seriously amused…on the one hand you slip juvenile jibes in …and then try to take the moral high ground…exactly why, I requested you…to desist, given that it is fairly obvious that this is more of an ego thing and even whilst offering a thousand pardons and salaams – you cant but resist and try to get a couple of quick jibes in.
Your posting and spelling style are very relevant- you tend to post off the cuff with quick angry challenges, when a cool head would have sufficed. Pointing the same out is no great sin either.
The last few posts have been well considered and written with more care (bravo!), but they stand in contrast to those earlier, where you were all too keen to roll up your sleeves and engage in fisticuffs, with terse dismissals of well intentioned addendums to your statement.
I could say you are a person of Timbuktu living in Somalia or of Chinese origin living in the UK……or of.. ..is it even relevant
Your claim of being Pakistani or lack of, is irrelevant…and yet another strawman, since nobody here brought it up..or was least bothered …and is typically indicative of muddying up the waters even more.
What has been pointed out is that your categorical statements of criticizing a program purely on cost grounds, that too when the cost breakup and changes to the program are not known (SINCE we dont Have the report) are quite pointless.
And it would be better to wait for the actual report before we fly off the handle.
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I never flew of the handle, I simply posted links to the news reports and stated what they said, at no point have I criticised the MKI programme. :rolleyes:
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