sealordlawrenceThat chopper has a realy mean look about it, Im big, im ugly and im gonna blow up your wheelchair. 😀
sealordlawrencePlease grow up. I know of how “accurate” AFM is when they cite local reports and how these local reports are when they come to citing the CAG or any such reports. Apparently, any level of conservatism or cautiousness when it comes to such things is lost on you. You might want to read what the previous poster said as well. :rolleyes:
Sens,
When the report is published online – i’ll be glad to table its findings here.
Find me a report with an official denial in it then? :rolleyes: Otherwise shut up.
http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?gid=73&id=386128
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=1812883&C=asiapac
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060520/asp/nation/story_6247042.asp
The above news reports have qoutes from the CAG report, so it looks like it is fact.
sealordlawrenceUnless you have that report, your statements are speculative as are the news media reports citing it. I would advise that you wait till the report is put online and made public- which it invariably is, before you make such categorical comments. :rolleyes:
It happened, they are the facts, get used to it. Do you think that AFM just made up the report? please get real.
sealordlawrenceDo you actually know what gunboat diplomacy is? I’m not talking about fighting and winning a war against the USA. I just say that the US probably will not send any ships into Venezuelan waters to put pressure on the government or support a coup (as they have done dozens of times in Latin America) if there are 24 Brahmos equipped Su-30s just a few miles away.
A single B-2 couls quite easily make that threat dissapear :dev2:
Not that it is a threat to a Navy with 11 carrier battlegroups not to mention the USAF and special forces. The chavez government could be made extinct in a matter of minutes by the the USA and there is nothing 24 Su-30’s can do about it. :rolleyes:
sealordlawrenceWe know the production cost. $22.5mil for HAL-assembled MKI Mk1 and $37.5mil for the same MKI off Irkutsk factory. A selling price is roughly given production cost times 2.5.
According to a report put to the Indian Parliament by the Comptroller and Auditor General on May 19th this year the Indigenously built Su-30MKI’s are now costing more than they would have done had they have been imported from Russia :rolleyes: . The overall projected cost has escalated massively from $4.87 billion in 2000 to $8.633 billion in July 2005 (From a HAL project report) 😮 , so your figures are no longer correct.
sealordlawrenceHow do you know the Falcon Edge is a better EW system if the Israeli EW systems on the F-16I is totally classified?
I know what those systems are only because I have good connections in Israeli companies producing systems for the F-16I.Most of the systems inside the F-16I are classified.
The F-16I also have three 5x7inch screens in the cockpit, and ALL Israel’s made weapons ( Python series, Derby, Popeye etc ) are suiteable with it.
and again,
except the radar, which the APG-80 is better, and here also, not by far, almost ALL the systems in the F-16I are suprior, and thats from facts I know about the F-16I, who are not published.
Oh here we go, you gonna claim to know all the secrets about the F-16I, your actually a wonderful amazing super important Israeli intelligence person 😀 , if you havnt got the evidence dont bother. You have already tried to claim that the Lockheed werent allowed to sell top of the line stuff to the UAE yet you cant explain away the radar and its common knowledge that the UAE got one of the best tech transfer deals of the 90’s out of the Block-60 deal.
So how would you know the EW system from Israel is better thatn the American made one? :rolleyes: Im just working of general comments I have hear from people within the military and industry, i dont claim to have any super secret info just an impression i have been given by people with a general attachment to these things.
Maybe you could list the avionics components in in the Block 60 and give a statistical analysis of them in comparison to the Sufa if you know so much un-published info??? :rolleyes:
sealordlawrenceThe Israelis can pay (using Israeli taxpayer money) to put anything they want onto their airplanes. However, US Military Assistance Program credits cannot be used to pay for anything other than US-built equipment. Israeli-built equipment on IAF F-16s was not paid for using US MAP credits, unless a Congress-approved waiver was granted. You may not like it, but thats the way US MAP law works.
Not disputing that, but a large amount of foreign equipment on an F-16 may make it harder to get the deal through congress.
sealordlawrenceNope,
I looked at this thread, and after 5 posts its already go off-topic.
I don’t need this thread to know the avionics system in the F-16I are better than the Block 60.
Lockheed Martin can’t sell to the UAE the best top-of-the-art systems they got, while Israel doesn’t limit itself with the systems.
The fact is, that Israeli is super good when it comes to EW and Avionics systems, thats it.
The Israeli EW systems inside the F-16I Are superior, if not very superior to the F-16EF opposites systems, same goes to the Avionics suite inside.
Sorry buddy but its just not the case, Falcon edge is regarded as the better system. Lockheed Martin can and did sell “best top of the art systems” to the UAE, hence the radar (which will eventually be able to track 50 targets simultaneously), the more powerful engine, the three 5x7inch cockpit displays, the source codes to intergrate the UAE’s weapons of choice etc etc.
sealordlawrenceAre We not looking at an aircraft that is getting towards the end of its production life ? Novel financing or unusual specifications are now far more attractive to the seller in order to shift a few more airframes and keep the production going longer. At this stage of the F-16’s lifecycle I think it would be difficult to rule out any option if you are LM. Even the politicians might be prepared to cut them some more slack in terms of tech transfer.
Have you seen US politicians cutting much slack in terms of tech transfer recently? :rolleyes:
sealordlawrenceBesides the Radar,
The Block 60 of the UAE is LESS capable than most avionics systems on the F-16I, if not all of them.
Wrong-explained in this previous thread,
sealordlawrenceWould you like to explain how many F-16’s have been delivered with significant foreign equipment, excluding the Sufa???
I love your tage by the way.
sealordlawrenceThis is something quite remarkable……..are they serious abt it? o.O
1) The likelyhood of the US allowing F-16’s to be sold as new with foreign equipment is virtually nil, they wouldnt even let the Israelis put their own radar in the sufa and they were buying th planes direct, so the changes are primarily limited to the ECM gear and the cockpit.
2) The Sufa is regarded as less capable than the Block-60 sold to the UAE, so even if this did happen the IAF would be offered a less capable aircraft than what is available.
sealordlawrenceFor being “cut into needles” the Varyag seems pretty intact to me :diablo:
In fact its probably more intact than it was when it was sold. 😉
sealordlawrenceThe current Mk41 VLS is maxed out. You can’t fit bigger than a Tomahawk. A full caliber Standard would give you more performance out of a SAM but then you’re stuck there too. Keep in mind the only missile that uses the full cell size (even today) is the Tomahawk. But as they say “better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it”. Also the cell groups themselves have been designed to be more survivable. From what I’ve read they want the bigger cells because come CG-21 they’ll be able to put a pretty high performance SAM/ABM in there. Something else that occurred to me was what they did with Spruance. At the beginning of the program you had a pretty big ship with 2 5″ guns, an 8 cell Sea Sparrow launcher and an Asroc launcher. Keep in mind these things were bigger and heavier than a “double end” Leahy. But in the end they had 61 VLS cells, 8 Harpoons, and 2 Phalanx added to the list. DDX is designed to be able to take advantage of railgun/electromagnetic guns and directed energy weapons when they come available.
There is no missile on the horizon for the USN which will need a silo bigger than the Mk-41, virtually all, if not all the plans to multipack missiles into these new cells have been abandoned so all they are doing is taking up space that could be used by more Mk-41. The only thing that will make any real difference to the survivability of the new cells is where they are positioned on the ship, they will be spread around the outside of the ship around the hull (see the pictures posted above) thus meaning that they are more spread out so you wont loose half the VLS loadout to a single hit. This could be done easily with the existing Mk-41. All the USN is doing is spending money, that they dont have, on things that they realy dont need.
sealordlawrenceim sorry to say that the CG[X] is no more its dead acroding to wikapidia
in 2006 Congress massively cut the DD(X) program, with only two ships of the Zumwalt class still planned.
it means only two have congress funding but it still many be revied.but ording to wikapidea it has been cancesseled [sorry about the spelling ]
The entire USN is in big trouble from a funding point of view. The Congressional Budget Office recently released report saying that the plan for a 313 ship navy is all but impossoble without massive spending increases, it projects that in 2030 the US will have just 205 ships including only seven aircraft carriers 35 LCS and 44 submarines.
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