If the chinese offer enough money for the Pakfa the Russian will sell it and there is nothing india can do about it unless it gets a 50% share in the programme which is looking very unlikely. I would be extremely surprised if Russia allowed India to write into a contract concerning a project of such magnitude that India could veto sales.
Hmmm Interesting, but flexible skins? Flexible nose? Looks like the KUB is the most advanced flanker variant to date. I wonder whether there are any plans to use the mission adaptive wing technology on any other Flankers-Su35BM for instance? How much of an advantage does this wing give?
Thanks Martinez and Ken. 🙂
SOC, When I was saying about the most capable carrier in asia I was including India and the former Gorshkov as well. 😉
Well the Varyag has been in Dalian for a very long time now, although with the exception of her new paint scheme she dosnt look that much different externally. Personally I am still sceptical as to whether the Varyag is going to enter PLAN service.
The fact that is APPEARS that Russia is offering advanced Su-33 variants to china does support the idea that the chinese are planning on putting the boat into service, and may even be getting Russian assistance. What is beyond doubt is that if the chinese do put it into service and put decent planes on her they will have the most powerfull carrier in asia, with the 052B/C’s providing a competant escort.
Does anybody have anymore information on the Su-33KUB’s mission adaptive wing?
The IRIAF dosnt operate Su-25’s but the Revolutionary guards corp does. If you wanted to use the Su-24 against an AEGIS destroyer your best bet would be to try and intergrate one of the big long range Russian anti-ship missiles like Yakhont or Moskit, but I still wouldnt hold out much hope.
Cheers Pit.
Just something related to the MRCA contract, I have been looking into Phazotron’s AESA developments, and I stumbled upon this thread in the archive,
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=39719
The article that Pit posted in the first post suggests that the Zhuk-A could be much further along than we have been assuming. I think that the light fighter being mentioned in the article as under development by mig could be the Mig-35. If this is the case it could make the Mig-35 look far more attractive to the IAF, as Phazotron could disply its own Mig-29 AESA radar in the next couple of years, without Indian funding. Based on previous phazotron history, they usually only display mock-ups (such as the Zhuk-A mock-up shown at Maks 05, but of which no picture appears to be in the public domain) when the actual radar is not that far of.
Thoughts?
Wow 1500tonnes of thrust for the FM3- thats alot of power for the flanker a 20% increase if my maths is correct.
Apparently the Al-31FM1 will have have an improved life between overhauls of 750hrs as opposed to 500hrs for the regular AL-31F, and a thrust of 13.5 tonnes as opposed to 12.5 for the AL-31F. The Al-31FM2 which should begin bench testing this month should have a thrust of 14 tonnes. The aim for life between overhauls is 1000hrs.
I dont have any figures for the FM3 but it should start bench testing at the end of the year.
Combined with the Klimov 3-D TVC nozzles there is no doubt that the FM series engines would be a better choice than the AL-31FP.
Ok ive just found out what a mission adaptive wing is, the idea being to be able to continually change the shape of the wing to maintain optimal aerodynamic performance, as ken said this aircraft realy is completely different to the standar Su-33, it has got some realy advanced stuff in it/ on it.
What is the advantage of the mission adaptive wing? would it improve the performance of the standard flanker (ie Su-30)???
Ken, Im sure I have said this before but your website is fantastic!!!
Does anybody have more details about the ‘mission adaptive wing’ which ken mentioned? how different is it to the ‘standard’ flanker wing and what exactly is its purpose?
Here is a source about the carriage of the Phazotron Zhuk MSFE (sokol) radar on the Su-27KUB,
http://www.rosprom.gov.ru/en/news.php?id=291
This is an extremely capable radar for a trainer (possibly the best radar yet installed on a flanker), which does suggest that this aicraft is intended to have substantial combat capability.
If this aircraft was intended for the chinese I again feel that the AL-31FM1 would be better than the FP becouse the FM1 is already being supplied to china for the J-10 programme, unless of course the Russian are attempting to shorten the development time by using an adapted MKI flight control system.
If this aircraft is being offered to china and they decide to buy it and fly it of the former Varyag (a number of very big ‘IFs’) there will be a certain sense of irony, with the chinese flying an MKI equivilant of a Kuznetzov class carrier whilSt the Indians are flying Mig-29’s of the former Gorshkov.
How much of a requirement is there for a trainer variant of the Su-33? Dont the Russian pilots alredy train on the Su-25? Obviously there is a big difference between a flanker and a frogfoot but as ken has shown there is also a very big difference between the Su-33 and the KUB.
This just adds further to the confusion surrounding this plane. What is it for? if they wanted a 2 seater Su-33 why not just do what they did with the Su-27 (put the second pilot behind the first). It seems to lack the dedicated strike equipment carried by the Su-34 (ie radar), making the idea of it being a dedicated striker seem unlikely.
And what about the AL-31FP engines-if they were needed to aid carrier take-off why not install the AL-31FM1 which has more thrust, and besides these appear to be laid out in the same way as on the MKI suggesting they are to improve agility.
Aparently at one point this aircraft flew with the Phazotron Zhuk-MSFE (Sokol) radar, what the significance is and whether the radar is still installed I dont know.
Many of these questions may have simple explanations which make me look stupid but they intrigue me.
How would India be a test nation for the Typhoon? You are aware that it is already in service with the four partner nations and has been ordered by Austria and Saudi Arabia?
I still think that eith the Mig-35 or a Mirage 2000 derivative would be the best option but thats just my opinion.
So the FGM-29 is the Zhuk MF PESA.
So where did the Zhuk-A designation come from? What sort of AESA is phazotron planning on showing in 2006- will it just be s few experimental T/R modules linked together like Tikhimov (sorry for the spelling) did, or will it be a full on Mig-35 AESA radar?
I personally feel that the usage of the military against narcotics is a great idea. Put processing plants out of buisness with JDAM’s and shoot down and sink smugglers with missiles.