Thanks ken.
Does anybody know the designation of the optronics pod on the Su-27SM in ken’s Maks-05 photos??? (the plane is also carrying a Sapsan E pod).
By the way they are amazing photos and I am extremely jealous that you have the skill to take them.
Ocean is a much modified Invincible desighn. I doubt it would be very easy to fit a dock of any worth.
Mirage I never made a comment comparing the pilot training of the chinese and Indian pilots it was Pilatus who made this statement, and you have simply repeated my response to that statement.
A note, chinese PLANAF Su-30MKK2 pilots are not average PLAAF pilots and likely have substantially more flying time than say a PLAAF Q-5 pilot.
Personally I feel that if a debate is to be had on the topic of this thread it should be based on the technical merits of each aircraft and not the quality of the pilots, which is an extremely variable element.
I assure you matt I know the difference, and I feel that Pilatus’s statement was based on prejudice-quite possibly racist. He may not have meant to have come across this way but that is how his statement reads to me. The fact that you disagree with me suggests that there is certainly an ambiguity about it but it also shows the need to be very carefull with ones words-especially at a forum like this where tensions often run very high.
The age of these ships ISNT a problem, they have been kept in very good condition and have recieved regular upgrades, the need for reconditioning would be very limited. The problem is a lack of a market, Spain, Australia and Italy, have opted to build brand new ships of this size so they are out. Brazil has already satisfied her carrier needs with the purchase of a Foch class. India is building the ADS and buying the former Gorschkov so she is out. The only realistic carrier operating nation this leaves is Thailand and she can barely afford to keep the one she has afloat.
If a country did want to buy one of these an airwing shouldnt be to much trouble, with the US likely to have Surplus AV-8Bs in the near future (these could be re-engined with the Harrier GR-9A’s engine) and some of them have AMRAAM capability. As has already been mentioned they could also be used as JSF platforms.
Another major problem with selling these ships is that they are pure carriers, they dont have a dock, or any real amphibious capabilitys for that matter-most nations looking at ships of this type want a significant amphibious capability.
So Pilatus, you know the training regimes of both the Indian naval pilots and of the PLANAF pilots-didnt think so, so just another unnecessary racist comment.
The Irony of this question is that had the chinese opted for the once flown Su-30MKK3 with the Zhuk-MSE radar the chinese would have had an undoubted advantage (the MSE being the larger flanker variant of the Mig-29K’s Zkuk ME radar), But as it stands the chinese decided to go with more MKK2’s. I would be very carefull about calling the Mig a better fighter in this scenario, but it is worth rememberring that the primary chinese use for the PLANAF flankers is the AShM role as opposed to the Migs multirole but primarily fighter orientated role.
I wonder if this has anything to do with the Indian MRCA competition, thus far the Russians appear to be putting everything they have into this.
Just think, a Mig-35 with an AESA radar (Zhuk-A), 3-D TVC, and R-77s and R-27EPs.
To follow on from DJJ’s comment, it is very rare here that the Rafael is descibed as a bad aircraft, on the other hand it is very frequent that trolls such as nungressor produce pointless attacks on the Typhoon.
I find Fonks comment somewhat insulting, I have also followed both aircrafts development for as long as I can remember and in both cases current roles and plans differ from initial expectations.
Well the F-15SG has been selected as the skyhawk replacement, but I would like to know whether the plan to upgrade the F16s to blk60 still exists.
I think I read the AFM piece as well. From what I can remeber it is meant to have a large amount of commonality with the NH-90.
I was in Hull recently and drove past a building called HMS Iron Duke, I think it was a cadet centre of some sort. During WW1 Iron Duke was a 25000 ton battleship with ten 13.5 inch guns, now its a run down building in the worst place to live in the UK.
I think just about every proposal, with the exception of US ships, that I have seen for STOLV JSF ships portrays a ski-jump.
Lets not forget these boats have a truly outstanding radar fit (probably up in the aegis area-only Sampson is an AESA) The Astor missiles themselves are fantastic pieces of kit (ARH).
These ships can be upgraded to perform just about any role you could want of a ship of that size, the only issue as usual is money.
When you consider the limitaions of what they are replacing, I think the RN has done very well.
I think Steve is being a bit harsh, the radar fit on the T-45 is outstanding-there is no doubt about.
But at the same time the ships true capabilities have not been funded-VLS cells could be increased to 72 (I have heard suggestions of 88). A proposal to adopt an inner layer defense system based on starstreak was abandoned early on and no real decision has been taken on a new main gun.
The T-45 is a fantastic ship with fantastic equipment and it is sufficiently flexible to receive any number of future upgrades. I personally feel it is a relatively good exercise by MoD standards.