The time for mourning the crew of HMAS Sydney was in late 1941, but sadly, the grief of the families was compounded by the official cover-up. The loss of the Sydney was a shock to the Australian public and a major embarrassment to the RAN. Prevailing anti-foreign prejudices, reinforced by the shameful wartime propaganda, allowed the credible German accounts of the loss of the Sydney to be officially suppressed, while specious and manufactured reports were circulated of Japanese submarines and survivors being machine gunned.
No it is now. Petty finger pointing is for later.
Could that not be applied to NMD? The Cold War that was supposed to lead to a hot war with ICBMs flying all round the place has gone… it is the warfare of yesterday that fortunately never happened. The NMD is still trying to fight that war by anticipating that what merica calls rogue nations will try to fight it the same way the Soviet Union was going to fight it.
Merica has tasted guerilla warfare and it doesn’t like it much (it of course isn’t supposed to… that is its point) and wants to roll back the clock to the cold war and pretend rogue states are going to do what the Soviets did… ie design and build ICBMs and nukes. You see now that pandora is out of the box it has become a crime to want nuclear weapons without the US’s permission…
Yes and no. NMD was intended to defeat a threat that almost manifested itself. The NK bomb and missile combo. Fortunately/unfortunately both elements of that combination failed. The fact is that rogue states do try and do what the Soviet Union did, for the very simple reason that it seemed to work, the US never invaded the Soviet Union (whether they wanted to or not is disputable). Sure insurgency is happening but be in no doubt if Saddam had a WMD/Missile combo that could target the US he would have used it before we got to the insurgency point. The motive is very real and it has been tried. However with that said there is really no country with that capability on the horizon, Iran could at best put Europe within range and thats about it. Pakistan might fall to the Islamist’s but it is also a very long way from the US.
You forget that Russians actually care about littirial combat and coastal defences. Fast and nimble, and with shallow draugth these ships would be quite effective in low intensety conflicts along russian shore line, lot more usefull than some DDG-21s . Also i have understood these ships serve in border guard, and knowing Russians tendensies in that area, I only see this class a logical follow on from Pauk and Svetlak desings.
Exactly, these are border patrol patrol vessels. Certainly not FAC’s, just well armed police ships really. Maybe better compared to USCG cutters?
At the same times, regret should be expressed for the cover-up that followed the loss of the HMAS Sydney – and apologies should be made by the Australian government for failing to release the crew of the HSK Kormoran until January 1947!
The needless loss of all 645 crew aboard HMAS Sydney should have taught the RAN the lesson that complacency, and even outright incompetence, had become institutionalized into the fleet. If the accounts of the German survivors had been heeded, leadership changes might have save lives in future engagements in early 1942 against the Japanese where the RAN failed miserably.
Mourn for the 645 men who perished aboard the HMAS, but remember that their sacrifice was unnecessary to begin with, and rendered meaningless by a wartime cover-up. The real lesson here is that competent leadership is more important military superiority – and that public accountability should never be sacrificed to wartime censorship.
The real lesson is that this is a time for mourning……………not petty finger pointing.
0/10. :rolleyes:
We all know your average exam result………….but what does that have to do with this thread?:confused:
You post garbage as bad as the likes of Jon James and fanboylaurence.
The demographic situation in Russia can change easily depending on how the governments handles it policies towards this.
With this being said, I congratulate you on finding images of 50+ year old submarines rusting in port. Clearly, the 3 Boreis (or more) are all fictional, the Yasen/Severodvinsk is actually a myth, and the 50+ billion $$ re-armament plan for the Navy alone till 2015 is a hoax. :rolleyes:
At this rate, I might as well be like: Oh wow, look, the navy is in amazing shape, just look at these great subs!
So you have finally decided to scurry back after your last flirtation with absurdity.:rolleyes:
That has very much been the sentiment in Australia, not just for the sailors who died on Sydney but those who died on Kormoran (which was located just a day earlier) as well.
Tas
And rightfully so. Anyone who puts him/herself in the line of fire deserves respect, those who make the ultimate sacrifice certainly do.
The loss of the HMAS Sydney is no more an “enduring….mystery” than “Custer’s Last Stand.” It was a complete failure of leadership that apparently lead to the loss of the HMAS Sydney with all hands and German accounts would seem to be largely accurate. That HSK Kormoran was lost in return had far more to do with the engine room design defects of German motorships, which were prone to engine room fires, than the relatively light return fire from Sydney. The loss of the HMAS Sydney was no doubt viewed as a national tragedy at the time, but prevailing bigotry and wartime censorship prevented the Australian public, and the RAN, from accepting the true cause of the loss for far too long.
Furthering Wanshan’s excellent statement, with that out of the way it seems appropriate to show some respect to those brave men who sacrificed their lives on that vessel and for whose families were never given the opportunity to properly bury their fallen heroes.
On the T-160 topic, apart from the “new build” example(s?) a few years back, I suppose that there is no plan to manufacture any new airframes? I know the “new” ones were in reality uncompleted airframes from earlier. Perhaps, seeing as the Cold War is now finished, and with different operational goals, we have seen the last of the Blackjacks?
The Russians are actually claiming to be building new Blackjacks, with a production rate of about 1 every 18 months.
http://russianforces.org/blog/2008/01/russia_produced_new_tu160_bomb.shtml
I assume that they are basically using up stored components and restarting production of individual items as stocks are depleted. If they really want strategic bombers this seems like a pretty sensible way of doing it to me.
what part of 90% unification u dont understand?. There is brochure from AERO India right on this form.
I understand 90% perfectly, it means that 10% of the plane is different, and it has still not flown.:rolleyes:
Gripen with AESA/F-18E land based/F-16Blk70-IN hasnt flown yet. so ?
So this discussion is about the Mig-35.:rolleyes:
RD-33 equiped fighter has advantage as the engine went to hot climate of India for almost two decades. u cant say that about M-88/EJ-200 engine to that climate. so does it mean M-88/EJ-200 for IAF does not exist.
No those engines do exist, they are in existence, unlike the Mig-35.:rolleyes:
And MIG-29 has been in production since 1980s. when was that MIG-29M built. Almost 20 years ago. It has slot array radar, digital FBW, glass cockpit, upgraded engines.
Yes but that is not the Mig-35 is it.:rolleyes:
The fact is that the Mig-35 has not flown.
So do you think EF/Rafale exist in definite form? Everything changes with time. If MIG-35 was produced in year 2008 it will closely look like MIG-29K because thats what MIG is producing new. But you look at some future date it may look different. Just look at time line of Dassualt for RDY-2 from RDY. it took so long. I bet this AESA will take another 10 years.
BS, The converted Mig-29M2 is nothing but a sub-systems demonstrator/prototype. The real Mig-35 is the MAKS-2007 model and it has yet to fly.:rolleyes:
As if to reinforce the differences there are two versions of the Zhuk-A, one for the Mig-29 and one for the Mig-35.
but all its subsytems are tested/certified and exported.
So? The aircraft itself has yet to fly.
Dannish Soloeven class. Next:D
Close but not quite.;)
Edit: On second thought you could be right, I had it listed as a Brave but the torpedo tubes tell a different story.
that wing will be the size of MIG-29K without folding. Current MIG-35 is MIG-29M2 with AESA. They have the same engines like MIG-29K
Exactly, the Mig-35 has yet to fly.:rolleyes: