Well said swerve!

As there are still survivors of this policy in Australia, this is still a live issue, as such an appology just isn’t enough. But how much compensation would one consider just and fair for a child torn from its mother and community?

And to those of you who don’t seem to believe that even an appology is in order or the ‘History is history and should be left there.’ How would you feel if you had your child taken away by the state, because they wanted to try some social engineering?

Steve.

Why give compensation? Maybe start trying to sort out the overall consequences of a wrong policy than pointlessly handing out large sums of money to individuals?

How would I feel…upset, would I demand compensation…….no. The reason is simple, becouse as much as the loss of friends and relatives in unnatural circumstances is upsetting there is no way that money can end the pain. Anyone who claims it can has no idea what they are talking about.

If you want to properly make up for this then be sensible and thoughtful about it not emotional. Engage in the sort of economic and social improvement programs that any government should oversee for impoverished or socially troubled peoples in its state. People seem to forget that when things such as these happen it is the entire population and not just the minority that become angered, the correct response for this social healing process is economic and social integration in a passive manner enabling both sides to allow the past to be just that. In the case of the Aborigine’s, give them social and educational opportunities, invest in infrastructure and industry in their communities and provide them with the right to live in their traditional manner if they choose. If you create a scenario in which there is constant reminder of crimes long over and unnecessarily make wealthy their victims you risk not only leaving the wound open but deepening it with coming generations.

Exaggeration there: they haven’t tried, they are suspected of plotting to.

The two foreign citizens will be expelled from the country without being put on trial, & the Danish citizen has been released without charge. If they’d got as far as making an attempt, they’d be facing long jail sentences. The police say that they chose to pre-empt a possible attempt.

So close as to make no difference.;)

A reasonable point of view, but against this we must balance any perceived need for closure on the part of the victims or their descendants, especially in cultures where ancestors are venerated (or even worshipped) and “history” takes on a different and far more immediate meaning.

There’s no simple “one size fits all” answer, and each case should be taken on its’ own merits.

Certainly a valid point, however one must also avoid seeking revenge and emotional satisfaction when there are far more important material concerns to be met.

Muslims have tried to kill the artist responsible for the Danish cartoons, fortunately they were caught before they committed their murder and Danish news papers are courageously re-publishing the cartoons.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7240481.stm

Hmm, nice set of soup;) russian soup menu is really worth of trying to all of you guys, highly recomended, expecially to young westerners that seems to feel their rigth to come ruin almoust every single Russian/eastern related thread.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
So I want to ask, does this forum have any sort of code of conduct against trolling? I dont mind certain hyper pro-western members and figths with them, but least they try to keep the discussion in meaningfull level. Some of these newer ones doesent even bother to do that.

I think Jon Jones is actually making a highly valid point about defence spending in Russia. If you are one of these fan boys who thinks that Russia should match the US in terms of defence spending then so be it but the economic factor is a vitally important one.

Try and find a country that does not have something to feel shame for. History is history and it is best left there.

I think the Russians are dead serious now, there is a writting on the wall.
They are getting heated up and ready to fire up if the situation arises.
Now is the time to say to the U.S enough is enough, you put up or shut up,
the sheriff is in town.
They are just waiting to see if America would have the guts to place those missile defense shields in Poland and Czech, and I think they will. There the sheriff would point the pistol right on your forehead from Cuba-
Welcome again to the Cold War or real fight no time to waste.

What?

All this playing around with bombers is getting rather tiresome, Russia could wipe out the west and the west could wipe out Russia…………we all get it.

If, as I suspect, you are suggesting compellence……..well good luck with that.:rolleyes:

I have to say this, and it will make Mr Lawrence smile.
I used to be involved with the Scouts as a non uniformed leader, but we had a bit of a non-conformist group, we were always in trouble with the ‘Powers that Be’, as we didn’t exactly abide by their version of the modern Scouting code, ie, no knives, yes, how can you carry out Scoutcraft without a Swiss Army penknife, bloody ridiculous, can’t risk their lives with going out and making bivvies for the night, the list was endless, couldn’t do a bloody thing ended up with the eventual termination of myself and the Leaders involvement with Scouting, it got too ridiculous and a waste of time, apart from the threat of litigation, which did actually happen to us, it was an end to a part of my life caused by outside sources that were just pathetic.
What is amusing is that we went to a Jamboree at Walton on the Naze and as part of their tasks, they had to blast away at clays with a shotgun, this was probably 10 years ago, imagine that, youths given a shotgun at such an age with no previous experience, scouts were obviously considered beyond the pale at the time, but even then I thought it was a bit wierd.
Any Scouters on here, ever kipped on Scaffell Pike with a load of divvies.

I have heard similar stories in the past and if there was no initial safety talk it is rather worrying.

It should be pointed out here that teaching kids how to shoot pheasants will not really give them any skill that would be useful for the kind of shootings that occur in urban areas. There is a world of difference between a double barreled 12 bore and a Berretra 92. The skills to use such weapons (reasonably simple) are available on the streets. Add to that the fact that most shootings occur at very short range and it soon becomes apparent that Mr Tebbits idea would not ill equip the chosen youths at all.