well i agree, but you said advanced fighter so i was thinking about the radar which is the most important sensor in any fighter.

Yes i tried to highlight other area beside the radar where the SM is better Vs the MKI earlier in this thread.

But in the 90’s and early 2000, how many SM upgrade was there?

Of course none. But the first batch was delivered in 2004.

Roughly the same op. date for the full config MKI.

I suspect the MiG-29K for the Indian Navy came around right around the time the MiG-29SMT was ‘transferred’ to the RuAF from the Algerian order. Though the MiG-29 in general is a far less sensitive aircraft, while the Flanker is essentially the main air superiority fighter from the Russian side.

interestingly, you, and the two other members in Russia (soyuz and distiller), make more sense than the pro-Russian aviation enthusiasts here who aren’t Russian.

You’ll probably get some circular logic telling you why that can’t be, since the RuAF “obviously” has the superior versions.
I suspect that not only do the Indians have the better versions, but their pilots are likely far better on average too.

I do agree with most of your points, BARS is probably more advance but its not like NIIP does not know how to upgrade a better Radar than the current N001 series..

We do now know of all the improvments with the upgraded radar Back element.

What kind of new search mode, what increase in target track, wider bandwith, which new missile capabilities etc.
Just by looking at the HUD, does not give us any clue.

We have over the years seen many US radar beeing upgraded with new back elements but still use the same antenna.
The SM upgrade is still ongoing today. just as we speak. The Su-33 is getting a workout.

I find it very strange if Sukhoi does not have any resources to upgrade the SM radar.
What ever happend with the SM2 upgrade?

The Russophobic guys like hot dog and wrightwing, among others, would never let the fearsome MKI be beat out by anything after all of the fantastic USAF vs IAF stories.. no way can ‘bankrupt’ Russia do anything right!

Fact of the matter is, even if the N-001V is on board the Su-27SM (old and new ones) – if it can fire off 4 R-77s at 80% of the range of the BARS, the Su-27SM may well still be a superior jet because the only good thing on the Su-30MKI would be the radar. The Su-27SM’s RWR, ECM could be far better. The engines are clearly superior.

Clinging to stories of Su-30 glory in a few exercises as a means to suggest that therefore the BARS makes it the holy grail of Flankers is a big pile of FAIL.

but according to this, the Su-27 shot several R-27s which all missed and had to use IR missiles. that is WVR.
http://s188567700.online.de/CMS/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=138&Itemid=47

I will read it tomorrow, but I will ask first:

Are you sure it wasn’t the R-27T/TE missiles? Which are BVR also of course..

My dear Doggie friend, that has absolutly nothing to do with reality, nor is it any measurement to compair fighter aircrafts.
God forbid, we should all be glad we never seen any Soviet or RuAF Flankers in a large airial conflict/war, if you see my point..

The Su-27 fighter design has been awarded several prices for its superb design over the years, and i mean international awards. Proved itself with multiple records.
The Su-27 platform is well respected within most Airforces around the world.

The MiG-31, Mig-29 and Su-27 series..

are well comparable to the F-14/15/16/18.

Sure you can argue some are better suited for something than the other, but they are all very “neck-to-neck” in many areas. 🙂

MiG said the MiG-1.44 is supposed to surpass the F-22. do you believe it?
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/mfi.htm

I’ll go with: ‘why not’ — had it become a production jet.

It was Soviet evolution and the Soviets did things right when it came to military toys 😉

so if you have no idea of the specs on radar, ecm, or rwr, then how do you know if its good or better than the Su-30MKI?

Many years ago there was a rather lengthy interview regarding RuAF upgrades with a colonel or someone else up high – part of the discussion related to the Russian Su-27SM upgraded jets that had just come into service.

Reporters asked how these upgraded jets compared to the exported ones..

He states that the domestic Flankers were no worse, even better in some areas than their foreign analogues. Naturally, no technical details were given.

It’s all about cost-benefit.

If it is profitable to get a fleet of carriers to go rob other nations (Americanski style) .. then they will have 6 carriers out in 20 years if need be.

The navalized PAK-FA wouldn’t be a hard development.

Finding the NEED for carriers is hard, especially for Russia who has a lot of potential for trade/economic control merely by its land connections.

Groomi is under watch of the FSB.

Taking Defensetalk’s word as anything near the truth would be quite naive.

No one knows how good or bad the PAK-FA will be on any level.