here is the Mig-23 , red 19,
at last some pictures from Monino, do not understand why they scrapped those aircrafts, especially the Mig-23 b/n red 19, compare with photo I took in 2003. 😡
Aicraft junkyard at former Chodynka airfield, 100rubles we paid to guard there. I doubt there will be a museum once again. 😮
Some medium range shots taken when leaving Zhukovsky, while irritating all police men around. 😀 Damn, I didnt notice the silver P-42 on the Sukhoi ramp, what a shame. 😮
Hello Ken
Finally, I had time to read through your whole trip. Samara, Saratov, Engels….wooow, very interesting destinations, many thanks for sharing!. If you do not mind I would love to see the picture you took in the cockpit of the Mig-23(red 28), just to see how it looked inside. Thanks
Regarding your visit to the Chkalovskaya AFB, did you manage to spot the Il-86VKP there? I visited Monino on Friday August 25 and have seen this aircraft taking off from Chkalovskaya, but unfortunately I had my WIIIIIDE photo equipment only, so I can`t read the aircraft reg number bcs pictures are small. 😮
You asked how we get so close to the Orlyonok. Well, we just went in. It was maybe a luck or maybe it has something to do with our non-suspicious appearance 😀 and when they asked “WTF is going on?” we mentioned country we are comming from and since then we`he been left alone because it seems that almost every second soviet “soldat” served there.:) They do have very positive memories on those gone years. Anyway, we tried to bribe the chief too to arrange a visit of the submarine, unfortunately they were ending their shift so we were late.
here is a pic of the Il-86VKP with a Tu-144 fin
Little disappointed is very genourous of you, it is really pathetic built and quality. I wonder how the IAF/IN will take delivery of this kind of built aircraft?
I am little dissappointed by the workmanship on 29K..
May I remind you guys that the Mig-29KUB presented at maks2007 is a pre-production example, therefore its main purpose is to bring all systems on-board into conformity rather than just to look good and suits your taste. Thus its a bit unfinished workmanship may be a bit deceiving. Anyway, I really wonder why IAF took delivery of Sukhois 30MKI, when their workmanship looks even a lot worser than pre-production Mig-29KUB.:eek:
regards
Martinez
Not resized down, just compressed photos.
http://www.gamaholding.sk/test/IMG_4596.jpg
http://www.gamaholding.sk/test/IMG_4600.jpg
http://www.gamaholding.sk/test/IMG_4606.jpg
I have some photos which I will post once I have learnt how to hammer the photos from my (new) camera into shape.
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Do not tease your camera Zoot, it will give it back to you someday when not expected! 😀 I`ve been there too a week ago, here are some pics from the place, can post also hi-res.
As most of you probably know, the S-102 was the Czechoslovak license-made MiG-15. Correspondingly, the Mig-15UTI was assimilated as CS-102 and the MiG-15bis was manufactured as S-103.
I’m interested how did these differ compared to the Soviet-made ones.
Is there any way to tell them apart from the outside? Are there any internal changes?I’ve heard that MiG-15s had steel wireing (electrical systems), whereas the S-102s had copper wireing – don’t know how accurate this is.
The journal PKR 35/1995 answers almost any question. I hope you can read it, its not the best scan quality though. I can translate some parts from the article when you do not know the language.
some Mig-29A detail pictures….
Martinez
Had a few queries
1) What capabilities does the PS-90A2 upgraded IL-76 brings to the table?
2) What is that golden glint on the canopy of the Mig-29K/KUB
Check these links for reference
http://www.lenta.ru/photo/2007/08/22/maks02/21_Jpg.htm
http://www.lenta.ru/photo/2007/08/22/maks02/20_Jpg.htm
http://www.lenta.ru/photo/2007/08/22/maks02/22_Jpg.htm3) What is the level of workmanship in the Mig-29K/KUB
4) What was the impression of the Mig-29K/KUB among the personnel over there.
5) Was there any trace of the legendary black plume out of the new Klimov engines on the 29K
3. After making a close inspection of the KUB it seems that the front fuselage has most of its skin spot welded instead of riveted. The workmanship has been improved over the baseline Mig-29, but judge for your self.
4. what would you expect to hear from them anyway, complaints???
5. the legendary black smoke has not been noticed.
P.S. pictures are not resized but highly compressed to fit 300KB allowed on this forum.
Talking my best catch on Maks2007, I have been hypnotized by this lady for a quite long time. I wonder if Mr. Flanker man can beat me this time…..:D 😀 😀
martinez,
thanks for the comments. I think the drag will be lower for the F-16, however, I cannot prove it. The MiG-23 will definitely lose speed much quicker, so drag is higher for anything going beyond 1g flight.
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I`m just trying to comment, no intent to argue,so do not worry. I think with 72deg sweep, the drag coeficient in transonic and supersonic regime is still in favour of the Mig-23. Just compare the charts of drag coefficient against Mach number for the F-16 design vs the Mig-23.
I agree for anything going beyond 1g flight the F-16 is better due to L/D ratio, but in supersonic things may change again.
As ever here lots of good information being shared….
But by focusing on facts and figures the real importance of Boyd’s work is being missed.
The apparent contradiction between his ‘speed is life’ moto and his flat plating shows how easy it is to misunderstand his goal. He showed that the former is a key to the later… if you have one without the other you are at a disadvantage, having both enables you to expand your range of options and hence increases you chances of success. He knew that being slow had its uses only if you could lose speed rapidly and then regain it rapidly…that his how he used it.
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A wonderful interpretation of yours I must say, but it had one major flaw at that time. Boyd was flying F-100, an underpowered and hard to fly aircraft and everytime he had the opportunity to use his stunts “flat plating the bird”, he risked loosing control (spin or stall) of his aircraft due to low speeds and high AOA. It is more than obvious that the ability to regain energy fairly quickly was impossible with T/W ratio of the F-100 Super Sabre. Why would he ever teach his students to fly maneuvers which put the aircraft to low energy state with inability to regain it quickly? His aircraft never possessed both, but despite this disadvantage he still managed to win all simulated air to air dogfights. 🙂
I wonder whether this “flat plating the bird” maneuver was ever taught at Top Gun flight school.
so the platform can lose lock, and regain it, missile can still hit in that kind of scenario, just the PK drops down.
I think this is not correct when talking about loosing a radarlock for a second or more. When pilot turns the aircraft and radar away from the target, he looses a radar lock as well as the missile, there is no chance to regain the missile back. Therefore pilots are strictly instructed to hold the target circle within the HUD frame and keep illuminating. Written in combat employment and pilot instruction manuals.
Of course it wasn’t pointless during that period…or did the F-100 have some sort of BVR weapon system we’re all ignorant of? 😀
My point is that he was preaching BS theories something like the “energy is life”, but doing entirely opposite things…Do you copy now?? 😀
A clever guy I must say, wonder how much dollars he made when doing dogfights with his colleagues ….:D 😀