Thanks all for your help. I am away on holiday next week but I will pick up this thread again on my return.
Pete Truman.
There is a possibility that someone at Truman may know something, I will be able to speak to them again in a couple of weeks time. They have someone there who has worked for the Company since Pontious was a pilot and knows much of the Company’s history, so fingers crossed there.
The number of books my collection requires has grown by one. Thanks Thunderbird.
Regards,
kev35
Isn’t there one at the Helicopter Museum? I’m sure I have a photo somewhere.
regards,
kev35
Difficult, because it’s always been there. No family connections with aviation or the RAF, just an abiding interest that has grown into something else now.
Big influences were having a neighbour who was a fitter with 234 Squadron at the time of the Battle of Britain. The Air Training Corps and for me now, it’s largely about the Veterans, Rememberance and all that goes with it.
All I know is that as I get older, the more I get to know, the more I need to learn.
Regards,
kev35
“Iām afraid it will not be possible for us to put all 3 V Bombers together outside for photography purposes as they are in different locations on the site. The aircraft positions will not be able to change now due to the building work which is well under way.”
Which is pretty much what I said in the first place. It’s a shame it is not going to happen but I couldn’t for the life of me see how they could possibly do it. Perhaps a better question to ask might be can we see the Javelin again before you nail it to the wall please?
Just out of interest, does anyone know what will be going in Hangar 1 now or will it be left as open space for indoor events etc.?
Regards,
kev35
Mr. Dee Kay.
Former Nottingham Resident? Is there nowhere you haven’t lived?
I’ll try RR because the guy I’m looking into was a Flight Engineer but pre war was believed to have worked in aviation in the Nottingham area. He is Flight Captain Short’s Flight Engineer, Arthur Bird. I have found a relative so I am getting further sketchy information.
As to the Walrii, Flight Captain Short had minor accidents in both.
I’ll follow up your leads and see where they go. It just goes to show, if you want to know something about Nottingham, just ask a man in Australia…..
Thanks for all the help. I was supposed to be in Jersey with Ian for the airshow but sadly am not well enough. Getting my teeth into this will, I have no doubt, keep me occupied for many an hour.
I can’t get over how deeply one gets involved in things, and it all started just because I saw a grave. Funny how things turn out, focussing on a couple of casualties goes a significant way to helping me to retain my sanity. Just how much more will I find myself grateful to them for?
Regards,
kev35
Thanks for that Roger.
Particularly interested to know who it belonged to before impressment.
While I’m asking for help again, does anyone know where I can obtain dates when people gained their ‘A’ Licenses please?
Regards,
kev35
The delay to the delivery of alpha 1’s aircraft was as a direct result of production difficulties at Wooster Models further compounded by the inability to recruit sufficient Playmobil flight crew and a problem with the bedroom door.
I believe it to be eminently possible that Mr. Halstead has looked at the Vulcan as an option, so far he’s gone through Trislander, Twin Otter, Jetstream and Navajo, if I remember correctly.
As far as the Vulcan goes, I personally believe the project has had more than enough money thrown at it and it seems the project still wants more. People are saying about alpha 1 that he shouldn’t have announced it till he had the money to pull it off. Perhaps the same is true of the Vulcan project? Instead, great things were promised, not yet delivered. And the project has used the big stick of threatening to scrap 558 if money was not forthcoming for the rebuild. Was it not therefore irresponsible of them to dismantle the aircraft before the funds were in place to see it rebuilt?
How much progress has been made to date? Is it now partially rebuilt? When will engines be run and what is the estimated date for the first flight?
Regards,
kev35
Sir.
With all due respect, the Heroes are the ones who went to defend the free World in it’s darkest hour. The ones for whom their first journey overseas was to take them into combat. Those for whom the War left deep mental and physical scars. Those who conquered their own fear time and time again. Those that thought not of themselves, but only others. Those that returned, and like yourself, still believe that they did nothing out of the ordinary, just what was right. And as you so rightly say, those who lie forever in foreign fields.
Mr. Horowitz, you fit into those categories and it is right that we should offer you and your comrades the Honour and respect you all so richly deserve.
We have a habit of not realising what we have lost till it is gone. That is not something that we could or should let happen to our Veterans.
As our Veterans pass into History, there are fewer and fewer people who can say that they changed the world. You and all the Veterans who fought through World War Two not only changed it, you saved it.
And that is the legacy we must cherish.
With my sincere regards and most humble gratitude.
Kev35 (Kevin Mears)
And probably pretty authentic too. I doubt that Malta Spitfires spent much time being polished to concourse standard between the raids š
Moggy
Absolutely right Moggy.
If anyone wants an idea what it was like for a Spitfire pilot in Malta, warts and all, read ‘One Man’s Window’ by Denis Barnham.
Regards,
kev35
Rlangham.
That’s a non-starter as well because the Vulcan and Victor are currently in an area that is out of bounds to the public.
Regards,
kev35
Rlangham.
I’m beginning to despair here. The road is inaccessible. Which part of that don’t you understand? If it isn’t piled high with builders materials or their vehicles, it is a quagmire. It would be much nicer if you actually took the time to listen.
But, in the interests of fairness, let’s say two tousand people would wish to go, at Ā£20 quid a throw. That’s Ā£40,000. A sizeable sum. But as far as I can see, that money would be swallowed in the effort toput on the photo opportunity. I doubt that the V Bombers will be towed inside the day before it opens. I would imagine it will be relatively early on before construction is finished that they are ‘entombed.’ A road would have to be built at some considerable cost and someone will have to make all the necessary plans and risk assessments. Remember the RAF Museum is under the umbrella of the Government and therefore top heavy with bureaucracy. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see it, but I honestly think there’s more chance of 558 flying, and you all know my opinions on that. Don’t take my word for it, listen to Badger or give Cosford a ring. Would you like the number?
Ken.
I’ve tried to speak to them on unrelated matters several times. The initial phone call has been friendly and helpful but so far they haven’t followed up. One of the email enquiries was about having a stand at the airshow? They acknowledged receipt but that was as far as it got. Perhaps they are just too damned busy with the twisted monstrosity.
Regards,
kev35
Rlangham.
Have you been lately? You wouldn’t have thought it too much trouble to bring them down, but how are you going to get them there? Look at the plan. The white road shown on the plan is part of the building site. The TSR2 is bloody huge! And why would you want the Spitfire next to the V Bombers? The TSR2 maybe, but having spent some time at Cosford I fail to see how any of it is possible.
“Would have thought you’d be able to drag aircraft like TSR2, Spitfire, Meteor e.t.c.”
Drag? Do you want to upset the engineers even more? I think you’ll find it’s not just a case of dragging anything. I would imagine there is detailed planning for every move including risk assessments and due consideration of any and all Health and Safety factors.
dhfan.
I believe you are right. I don’t think any of the exhibits are going to move much when the new construction is complete. The concept is apparently a divided world. That might make some sense if you put Eastern Bloc aircraft on one side and aircraft of Western Nations on the other, but I think it would be a bit lopsided. Is anything Russian other than the Mig going in? However, the twisted shape, although not mentioned as part of the design, makes a fair representation of the Cold War gone hot.
JDK.
That photo opportunity would be a dream come true, but I think it may take an awful lot of tenners to make it happen. You are right, though, it is a question that should be asked. I will email them over the weekend. However, don’t hold your breath, they have failed to respond to several phone calls and emails on other, unrelated matters over the last few months.
Regards,
kev35
Just to try and clear this up a bit further, I have scanned the latest leaflet handed out to visitors by Museum staff.
As can be seen, the Vulcan and Victor are positioned at the back of Hangars 2 and 3. In my opinion, the only conceivable move for them is going to be into the new building. The position of the Conservation Centre makes it impossible for them to come round the back of the Hangars. The area in front of Hangars 2 and 3 where they used to be displayed is now part of the construction work. I personally don’t see, at the moment, how it would be possible to move the aircraft back in front of Hangars 2 and 3 to provide any kind of photo opportunity. The Valiant, as of the second of September, was on at least two low loaders outside Hangar 1.
Now, pure conjecture on my part, but I imagine the Valiant will be reassembled in Hangar 1 when the Liberator moves out. This would then make it much simpler to move the reconstructed Valiant into the bottom end of the new building. I assume this is what will also happen with the Belfast. The site map does not truly convey how crowded the situation is at present.The car park as shown on the map looks a clear area. This is not the case. It is divided into several sections by either fences or earth berms.
There is a large earth berm running across from the Conservation Centre to the Neptune. This appears to be in the process of being landscaped.There is a grey square on the plan which looks like a building. I personally cannot recall a building there so perhaps it is something to do with the contractors or indeed a new construction. (Or my memory has failed me completely.)
I don’t believe moving large airframes from Hangars 2 and 3 down to the area in front of Hangar 1 using the entrance and exit road is practicable either. This would necessitate the removal of lamp posts, gates, and quite probably a section of fencing.
While the idea of a photo call of all three V Bombers and maybe some of the other airframes in Hangars 1 and 2 is a mouth-watering prospect, I think the time, effort and cost involved renders it a non-starter. I believe the movement of the Trident to the hardstanding (the aircraft is regularly opened to the public) and the removal of the Argosy to the shooting butts several months ago, shows clearly that when these aircraft are in situ, that is where they will remain. I believe the Argosy will enter the building from the bottom end with the Belfast and Valiant. I imagine it will be possible to bring smaller airframes like the Canberra, Javelin, etc., across the front of Hangars 2 and 3 and into the top end of the new building. As I say, this is all conjecture on my part so I stand ready to be proved wrong.
A word about engineers. As is often shown, they can be a prickly bunch. But they are the people with the knowledge, skills and expertise to restore the airframes we all wish to see. I would imagine that the engineers at Cosford have more than enough on their hands at present preparing aircraft for display in the new building and juggling the others around. It’s a task I don’t envy them and one for which I have the utmost respect.
A word about the building. As it stands, from both the plans and the evidence of the work undertaken so far, I don’t like it, I seriously doubt that I ever will. I do not relish the prospect of the Javelin nailed vertically to a wall. Hanging aircraft I can cope with but the idea with the Javelin seems just plain daft to me. I hope, when the new building opens, I can change my mind and be delighted by what I see. Whatever the outcome, some very significant aircraft are to be given permanent undercover homes which will guarantee their future safety.
I hope the site plan explains the potential logistical problems to anyone who hasn’t been to the building site recently. That is exactly what it is. The Museum Staff are to be congratulated in ensuring that most exhibits remain accessible and having to work under very trying conditions.
Regards,
kev35
Fetish clothing…..
Does that include balaclavas?
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kev35
Fetish clothing…..
Does that include balaclavas?
Regards,
kev35