The secret’s out……
It’s a new model for sale in the shop. A pole mounted Lancaster as requested by Alexis. 🙂
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kev35
DROPTANK
“most odd really perhaps he supports west ham”
You mean, he’s the one?
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kev35
Andy.
“I think that it would be a shame to get rid of the one at LHR, because its only one of two tridents in the UK that look fully in-tact.”
I think you’ll find that there’s a pretty intact Trident at RAF Cosford. Unless of course they have moved it within the last fortnight.
“I think that if BA get their way it will probably go, Leaving only one nice looking trident in the UK, and thats the one at Duxford.”
I should think that BA have little interest in the LHR example for the simple reason that the one at Cosford is part of the British Airways museum there.
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kev35
Michael.
Very nice. I like particularly the one framed by the car door and the Air Jamaica A340. I really ought to try and get to LHR, haven’t been in donkey’s years.
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kev35
Is anyone else thinking of staying in Lowestoft on sunday 13th July? I’m going there after Legends to save driving home, then up to Martham for the unveiling on Monday. Just wondered if anyone else was doing the same. We could meet up have a meal and bore the locals to death. Anyone interested?
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kev35
Ren.
🙁 🙁 🙁
Nothing else you can say really.
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kev35
Ant.
I would expect Cosford to be a pretty safe bet for a Concorde, after all it is the home of the british Airways museum.
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kev35
Mixtec.
“Backward facing seats are not used because they are dangerous.”
So why are they used in rail and coach travel?
“In a high speed collision a persons back could be broken by the force of their body pressing against the seat.”
As opposed to being crushed from behind when seats break away and are hurled forward anyway?
“A persons body could be turned to the side by high G forces putting their body off to one side of the seat and again breaking their back/neck.”
Surely the body can be turned sideways whichever way you are facing. Depends what the aircraft is doing around the seat.
“Theres also the issue of debree flying forward at impact at hitting peoples faces during impact. “
Doesn’t matter whether an unsecured bag hits you in the face or the back of the head it will probably kill you just as dead. The placement of seating is only going to be of benefit in landing and take off accidents. If the a/c falls apart at FL350 it won’t matter a damn where you’re sitting.
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kev35
“New Boeing to be built in three days!”
That’s nothing, I once built a Boeing 727 and a BAC 1-11 in an afternoon when I was twelve….:)
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kev35
David.
Thank you. That’s just what I was trying to say in my clumsy convoluted way.
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kev35
Mongu.
Yes, the Lancastrian was the standard Lancaster fuselage without the turrets I suspect. The York fuselage was of a much wider cross section which would have enabled seats to be fitted across the width of the cabin.
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kev35
Willow.
First of all, I admit I’m not as knowledgeable about the intricacies of the preservation movement as many of the forum members so these are purely my ideas and opinions.
“A cull of airframes would cause a number of problems.”
There would inevitably be problems, but would the problems be any more significant than they are now? I’m not talking about the wholesale slaughter of anything that is not airworthy or pristine, just a rationalisation of how the limited resources available are used.
“Firstly, who is going to decide which airframes to scrap? You can’t just turn up on an owners doorstep and tell him to scrap his Hunter, Vampire, Vulcan etc,etc. The aircraft are private property after all.”
You can’t enforce anything on private owners or on museums, that’s not what I’m suggesting at all. As an example how many Lightnings do we need? I’m suggesting that those that are derelict may be incorporated into those which, through whatever circumstance, are better looked after. Obviously there would need to be some kind of ‘quid pro quo’ which would come in the form of greater co-operation between collections. Museum A’s Lightning contributes greatly towards museum B’s better example, museum A receives another airframe from museum C while museum B contributes something to museum C. Probably not the best explanation in the world but you get the drift.
“Secondly, an decision process is going to take into account the availible resources to look after the airframe.”
But by sharing and pooling resources everyone can benefit.
” It will therefore be smaller collections that get hurt.”
Not in the scenario I have described, surely everyone will benefit? If all museums could work towards the goal of acheiving a certain standard in the care of their airframes that has to be of benefit to everyone. If it means losing a few derelict or near derelict examples so be it.
“Not everyone has easy access to major museums.
I’m sure that anyone who lives in Dumfries would be somewhat annoyed to lose any of their local collection (very nice it is too – well worth a visit if your in the area) simply because another museum near London was better able to look after a similar example.”
Not using any museum as an example here, but your comment means it is better for a museum to have and display an airframe which they cannot care for properly and is currently rotting away? What possible good is that? Is that not preservation for preservation’s sake? I’m only advocating the culling of airframes which are only going to deteriorate to the point that they require scrapping. In my probably utopian vision of the future everyone would benefit.
“Thirdly, you lose the chance of saving any spares or components which may be of use in the restoration of other projects in the years to come.”
No, that’s the point. The spares are utilised in the restoration of others, but not if the airframe is allowed to deteriorate too much.
“Fourthly, any aircraft can be restored if the money exists, but the aircraft has to exist as well.”
Yes, and if we’re not careful many won’t exist for too much longer. I’ve probably not explained this with anything like the clarity I can see it with in my head.
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kev35
Mark L.
I think the aircraft your Grandmother mentioned could possibly be an Avro York. I think they had rear-facing seats. But then again, I could be wrong…
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kev35
But the whole point is that no-one is going to build a huge air-conditioned greenhouse or a double-decker hangar with a wheelchair ramp, although the latter would be ideal for me.:) There is no money available. If there was every airframe would be restored as part of our aviation heritage. How much money has been spent on the Vulcan for no apparent reward? How many airframes would that expense have secured the future of?
Here comes the sacreligous bit. Is not part of the problem that we have too many airframes? Some live on (yes, Moggy, they live because of their connections with people,) in unaccustomed luxury while others are rotting away before our eyes. Perhaps we should consider a cull? Sacrifice those beyond redemption to offer appropriate care to those that are viable? A huge and wholly unpalatable decision to have to make. I don’t know the answer, just ask the question and run. The idea of hanging aircraft is acceptable to me if it guarantees their future. I’d rather see the aircraft hung than chopped into pieces by the scrapman’s axe.
As for the Tempest? Well it looks to be an incredible job and it is safe. It is paying tribute as I would imagine a number of target tug pilots were killed carrying out their duties. Therefore I have no real problem with it. I suppose it’s because we all expect to see a Tempest in the familiar green/grey livery that makes this scheme seem, how shall we say, different?
And I think Moggy’s attraction to Anya may have something to do with her being, er, forthright in her opinions?
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kev35
I think there has been some research on this indicating that survivability is increased when rear-facing seats are employed. I know some RAF transport aircraft had rear-facing seats, the Hastings at Cosford being one example. The side entry door is left open so the rear-facing layout can be clearly seen. I think the reason for this layout not being adopted had something to do with the reticence of the public to travel by air ‘backwards.’ I don’t see the problem really, most of us happily travel on coaches and trains watching where we’ve been rather than where we’re going.
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kev35