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  • in reply to: PAK-FA thread about information, pics, debate ⅩⅩⅢ #2235604
    Jō Asakura
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    One thing I don’t quite understand – how is it going to deal with the vortices coming off its ‘nose’ over the levcon when stabs are set relatively further apart than on the flanker…

    I’d expect that at low-speed AoA and high-speed moderate AoA flight regimes the aerodynamic fuselage join where the LEVCON merges with it would form (and behave like) an LE sawtooth flap. Also you see those grooves on the said aerodynamic fuselage join? They’re known as vortices ‘trip spots’ and avoids fence-type VGs- though under certain conditions the LEVCON-fuselage gap itself would act as VG fence. SIBNIA has done a lot of work in this field.

    http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3772/9627453023_7a05ea9eed_o.jpg
    http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9067/414616.222/0_b2efb_7370bf48_XXL.jpg

    Despite the stable growth of the Russian economy*, Indian money is crucial (borderline critical) to the PAK-FA programme, the Indian economy’s recent slowdown will more likely impact MMRCA and others before FGFA/PAK-FA. It doesn’t really matter if the programme moves slightly to the right, it gives more time for ‘Type 30’ validation and brings GaN AESA into the frame.

    As for oil prices they are currently quite stable @ US$110 p/b the main problem for Russia is a slowdown in demand from China as the latter winds down it’s capital investment expenditures and tries to rebalance the the economy to one that is more consumption based. Having said that, Indian energy imports from Russia are likely to take up the slack as major capital investment projects are signed off. It also means Russian net imports of oil (initially projected for 2016) will now be delayed- which for them is obviously a good thing. Russian oil exploration joint ventures may have shifted down a gear but certainly haven’t been put on hold.

    *http://rt.com/business/russia-gdp-5th-largest-158/

    in reply to: should India have gotten Su-35 instead? #2236744
    Jō Asakura
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    Without dissecting the Su-27/30 series any more than we already have, there is one fact we’ve overlooked. Mounting the current BrahMos on the Su-30’s wings is going to seriously (if not totally) impede the horizontal stabilisors and their function:

     http://militaryrussia.ru/i/284/397/sF1of.jpg

    in reply to: should India have gotten Su-35 instead? #2237414
    Jō Asakura
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    Here you can see Irkut’s Su-30KN is cleared for only 2 KAB1500KRs. The KNs were essentially the developmental forerunners to the Su-30MKI and will have a structurally identical airframe (apart from the canards). It also supports the supposition that the structurally stronger Su-34 & Su-35S can carry only 3 KAB1500s as a load distribution factor.

    Hence (imho) it is highly unlikely that the Su-30MKI can accommodate 2 of the 2.5T BrahMos’ and would explain the strengthening of the MKI airframe for the centreline pylon to accommodate it:

    http://www.irkut.com/en/services/production/SU30KN/

    in reply to: should India have gotten Su-35 instead? #2241144
    Jō Asakura
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    Are sure those aren’t KAB-500S-Es? Here’s 3 KAB-1500s aboard the Su-35S during external load validation @ Zhukovskii. Needless to say the 35S has a significantly strengthened airframe compared to the Su-27 (or Su-30MKI for that matter).

    http://s017.radikal.ru/i421/1302/28/c21dde528dcd.jpg

    in reply to: should India have gotten Su-35 instead? #2242055
    Jō Asakura
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    Maybe, its a valid point but;

    [ATTACH=CONFIG]220768[/ATTACH]

    Su-34 had no problems carrying Alpha missile, which is just as long as BrahMos…

    Those are all valid points, but then, those apply to most payloads, and result in limitations for the aircraft performance. I can easily debate already M2.5+ capable brahmos would have far less effect than carrying 6x FAB-250s on multiple ejector racks but thats not my point. My point is, if we strap two BrahMos on current MKI, and if this limits its pefromance to M0.85 and 2.5Gs, no one would be unhappy about it.

    I see where your argument is coming from, but I still doubt the Su-30MKI will be cleared for 2 (let alone 3) BrahMos’, given that the Su-34 may well be cleared for only 3 KAB 1500s (or 6 KAB 500s)*.The pic of ‘blue 43’ with the ‘Alpha’ missile is all very well, but that’s just one of those promo shots for visiting generals, it was never seen on a runway with that ginormous (dummy) weapons load- let alone in the air!

    http://www.oborona.ru/dyn_images/img5623.jpg

    *http://airwar.ru/image/idop/bomber/su34/su34-2.gif

    in reply to: should India have gotten Su-35 instead? #2243142
    Jō Asakura
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    Reasoning?? BrahMos weigh 2.5 tons. Most flanker variants can carry FAB-1500 on its wing pylons. Surely it can carry it even without any modification, but it would only able to pull 60% of the G available with FAB-1500s.

    It’s not just a matter of weight. Strapping 2 of these HUGE missiles to an airframe the size of the Su-30 will have major implications for airframe stress and hence life. This is derived from factors including significant changes to trim (normal force & side force), normal & transverse buffet (particularly transonic), area rule & peak pressure drag coefficients (@ variable M), lift and static & longitudinal stability (Cg and mean aerodynamic chord) etc.

    in reply to: should India have gotten Su-35 instead? #2243936
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    Last thing I heard, the RuAF is not happy with the Leninets B004, but once the Russian MoD and industry reach a decision on AESA component standardisation that problem will be easily addressed. The size, mission flexibility and MLU update potential of the Su-34’s airframe coupled with the ergonomic cockpit layout will ensure it has a long future with the RuAF and the ‘BM’ should shape up into a very capable aircraft indeed. I’d certainly expect dedicated ‘Growler’ type EW and stand-off stealth UCAV ‘mother ship’ variants.

    Su-34 cockpit simulator and ‘attack’ on ‘Kuznetsov’:

    http://s5.uploads.ru/Okmhj.jpg
    http://s5.uploads.ru/z3WtL.png

    No way either ‘Super 30’ or Su-34 can carry 2 BrahMos, btw.

    in reply to: Passive sensor & L-band radar of USA ? #2246438
    Jō Asakura
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    Moore’s law isnt exactly a law like nature, but a prediction based on statistic that computing power double every 2 year,
    so while not an evidence based on physics, it is based on history

    The [‘Moore’s Law’] party’s over:

    http://www.design-reuse.com/news/exit/?id=32701&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eetimes.com%2Fdocument.asp%3Fdoc_id%3D1319330

    in reply to: Passive sensor & L-band radar of USA ? #2247862
    Jō Asakura
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    Here’s something quite interesting, in the first pic is Phazotron-NIIR’s naval AESA destined for warships such as the Pr.22350 class. The large grey box @ the top is an X-band AESA radar, the smaller, rectangular installation beneath is an L-band AESA radar (probably analogous to a naval ‘Nebo-M’), but the narrow ‘strips’ of antennae framing both AESA’s are described as ‘phased array radar channels for passive radar [signal] detection (i.e. EW):

    [ATTACH=CONFIG]220554[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]220555[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]220556[/ATTACH]

    Similar passive radar signal detection arrays are installed in a later incarnation of the ZhukAE (pic 2, in blue) and clearly visible on the example shown @ MAKS 2013 (pic3, thin yellow rectangular blocks). Obviously, these arrays are too narrow to be an effective transmitting radar in the conventional sense, hence this is the sort of set-up that could be synonymous with passive receiver based, multi-channel digital phase-frequency evaluation for EW.

    in reply to: Passive sensor & L-band radar of USA ? #2248795
    Jō Asakura
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    Which is what i claimed as well, that the L Band sensors won’t function as a radar, but more akin to the ALR-94…

    L-Band has been used for search radars and IFF for decades so why would they design a new ESM and forget these bands?

    D’oh!! We (including myself) have got this all wrong. AN/ALR-94 and the Russian systems detailed in that link are not transmitting but receiving only. They are using a passive radar technique called ‘phase inferometry’, whereby many (F-22 has 30) antennae are essentially ‘sniffing’ for enemy emissions. KNIRTI’s development for the PAK-FA details solid state transceiver arrays for decimeter (1-6 GHz), centimetre (6-18 GHz) and mm (32-40 GHz) range of wavelengths, i.e. L, S, C, X, Ku, K and Ka- the F-22 will have a similar set up.

    This is an advanced form of adaptive digital beamforming and high-speed computing is used to accurately calculate the precise location and range of the enemy [aircraft’s] radar emission. The X-band AESA operating in LPI is subsequently cued on the target, compromising the fighter’s stealth is kept to a minimum.

    in reply to: Passive sensor & L-band radar of USA ? #2249038
    Jō Asakura
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    I’d highly doubt AN/ALR-94 operates in L-band if it has to cue AN/APG-77 beams with an accuracy of 2° by 2° in azimuth and elevation.

    in reply to: Passive sensor & L-band radar of USA ? #2249049
    Jō Asakura
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    I don’t think the US will ever look to put a rear X band on any fighter. The Antennas and sensors all over are for passive detection at very long ranges, and for other stuff. Things are still not clear what the L Band sensors are on the T-50. Jo seems to think they are L-Band antennas/embedded sensors for detection, similar to the F-22and the ALR-94…

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    http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?124689-PAK-FA-thread-about-information-pics-debate-%26%238553%3B%26%238553%3B%26%238546%3B/page19

    No!!No!!NO!!! Jō thinks they are ANYTHING BUT radars!!! They’re IFF interrogators (the production facility’s advert says so), just because it’s an AESA doesn’t make it a radar:

    http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?124689-PAK-FA-thread-about-information-pics-debate-%26%238553%3B%26%238553%3B%26%238546%3B&p=2061635#post2061635

    …and may possibly serve as digital data links (like link16/JTIDS).

    What I think may be Russian EW/SIGINT developments for the PAK-FA analogous to AN/ALR-94 are detailed here:

    http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?124689-PAK-FA-thread-about-information-pics-debate-%26%238553%3B%26%238553%3B%26%238546%3B&p=2061636#post2061636

    Which would mean all the PAK-FA’s X-bands would operate in LPI mode.

    in reply to: PAK-FA thread about information, pics, debate ⅩⅩⅢ #2249898
    Jō Asakura
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    You got the number right, but not the placement. Radar in the nose, N036. Two cheek radars, N036B-1-01L. Then there is L-band radars in the slats, in each of them. So, 1+2+2…

    …Now, if there is actually sixth (rear-view) radar, then that is a secret they have been keeping very well.

    What is it with people’s IQs recently? First they don’t believe the official words of industry MDs & Chief Designers, and now they don’t believe their own words and deny ever having said them. Not only do you ‘not mean what you say’, but you ‘don’t even know what you mean’! Must be like living in a ‘Salvador Dali’ parallel universe.

    As for the need for a rear facing radar, maybe the Russkies don’t underestimate the STEALTH capabilities of their potential adversaries (F-22/35) as, like the Su-27, the T-50 is designed to operate in enemy airspace. From a capability/survivability standpoint, one can always ask the designers of the ‘swashplate’ AESA for Gripen NG and Typhoon MLU if limited coverage is a *good thing*. F-35 fans will tout 360 degree coverage no-end, unfortunately for them, not in the 6-18GHz range.

    in reply to: PAK-FA thread about information, pics, debate ⅩⅩⅢ #2250070
    Jō Asakura
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    Intimations of AN/ALR-94?

    Разрабатываются системы РЭБ нового поколения, в том числе бортовой комплекс обороны для самолета Т-50

    В ОАО «КНИРТИ» выполняются научно-исследовательские работы по перспективным направлениям создания радиоэлектронных систем будущего в том числе по разработке технологий сверхширокополосных СВЧ-устройств и многоканальных антенных решеток по интеллектуальным алгоритмам цифровой обработки радиосигналов и высокопроизводительной компьютерной обработки информации.

    [@ ‘KNIRTI’] are developing new generation EW systems, including an on-board defensive suite for the T-50

    OAO ‘KNIRTI’ has undertaken scientific research concerning the prospective areas/directions of the radar-electronic systems of the future including the development of technologies for ultra-wideband microwave [X-band] devices and multi-channel antenna arrays with intelligent algorithms for the digital processing of radar signals and high-performance computer [processing of] information.

    http://knirti.com/products/list.php?SECTION_ID=91

    Further details:

    Предприятия концерна ведут научно-исследовательские и опытно-конструкторские работы по формированию облика систем РЭБ и РЭР нового поколения, включая вопросы:

    •создания пространственно распределенных авиационных систем РЭБ, адаптивных к составу и особенностям функционирования радиолокационных систем управления оружием противника, с совместной цифровой обработкой и формированием распределенных когерентных помеховых сигналов для беспилотных летательных аппаратов 6-го поколения (ОКР «Гималаи», головной исполнитель – Калужский научно-исследовательский радиотехнический институт);

    •создания средств РЭБ со сверхширокополосными (две-три октавы) твердотельными приемопередающими модулями и широкополосной цифровой обработкой радиотехнических сигналов на основе многолучевых (не менее четырех одновременно формируемых лучей) антенных решеток для дециметрового (1–6 ГГц), сантиметрового (6–18 ГГц) и миллиметрового (32–40 ГГц) диапазонов длин волн для авиационной техники 5-го поколения, включая ПАК ФА, Су-35С (ОКР «Рикошет» и «Ранг», головной исполнитель – КНИРТИ);

    •создания базовых аппаратно-программных модулей для оперативного мониторинга и распознавания радиосигналов со сложной сигнально-кодовой конструкцией (ОКР «Стапель», головной исполнитель – Конструкторское бюро по радиоконтролю систем управления, навигации и связи);

    The enterprises of the concern conduct R&D work on EW and SIGINT systems of a new generation including:

    •creating spatially distributed EW aircraft systems, adaptive to the composition and characteristics of enemy weapons control radar systems, together with digital processing and distributed generation of coherent jamming signals for unmanned aerial vehicles of the 6th generation (Programme codename: “Himalaya”)- Prime contractor KNIRTI.

    •the establishment of EW with ultra-wideband (two octaves) solid state transceiver modules and broadband digital processing of radar signals based on multibeam (at least four simultaneously generated beams) antenna arrays for decimeter (1-6 GHz), centimetre (6-18 GHz) and mm (32-40 GHz) range of wavelengths, for aircraft of the 5th generation, including the PAK-FA, Su-35S* (Programme codenames: “Ricochet” and “Rank”/’Rang’), Prime contractor KNIRTI.

    •create basic hardware and software modules for the real-time monitoring and detection of radar signals of a complex signal code structure (Programme codename “Slipway”/’Staple’), Prime contractor: Design Office of radar control systems, navigation and communications.

    http://vpk.name/news/92403_boevyie_lazeryi_budushih_voin.html

    *With reference to the Su-35S, then I don’t think this refers to DFRM as they already have the wingtip mounted SAP-518 or podded MSK-418K for that role, this appears more suited for SIGINT. I recommend google translating that link as other developments sound very interesting too.

    in reply to: PAK-FA thread about information, pics, debate ⅩⅩⅢ #2250074
    Jō Asakura
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    Radiation warning stickers are used on all sorts of antennas if the transmitting Power is high enough, HF antennes got them i know. hell even my micro oven i think 🙂
    My point is, it doesn’t have to be an Radar Array inside those area, but other regular antennas that transmit some form of radiation waves..

    Really? I don’t see internationally recognised ‘Danger Radiation’ markings on the SAP 518 or even the monster SAP-14. Your microwave oven must be Norway’s best kept military secret!

    Is this somewhat related ?

    No, they’re more to do with embedded arrays for RLG navigation, comms, etc. and the associated fibre optic network.

    First off, there is plenty, i repeat, plenty, of evidence there will be L-band in stalts, so don’t try to row away here. Neither did i ever argue the stinger isn’t made out of wavelength transparent material. And as demonstrated a few pages back, Indian press are not exactly trustworthy.

    That was precisely my point too.

    I am ready to change my opinion at any given moments as soon as compelling evidence lands; sticker is no evidence for radar installation for me.

    PS: Also gonna point out that change in color =/= radar transparent material. Wingtips on T-50-4 have different color because they are made out of metal instead of the surrounding composites. Same story with leading edge of LEVCON’s. Heck, such thing could be observed even on I-16, different shades on different materials. Yes, i think the stinger is made out of transparent material, wingtips on T-50-4 are most certainly not.

    That doesn’t mean there wont be future ECM installation there of course.

    Yes, but it ISN’T A RADAR, IS IT?!!
    [ATTACH=CONFIG]220502[/ATTACH]
    As for the tail stinger, so what happens, God forbid, a threat emerges in the forward sector? Does the pilot fly backwards?!

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