The ‘Urals Civil Aviation Enterprise’ (ОАО «Уральский завод гражданской авиации») successfully flight tested the first of its locally assembled ‘IAI Searcher 2’ (Russian name ‘Forepost’) UAVs last month.
Apparently the temperature was -30degC!!
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/428625.html
The УЗГА UAV assembly line @ Yekaterinburg:

Pics c/o Djoker.
I wouldn’t take any of that to the bank just yet.
Maybe you are right or maybe I am right, or maybe we both are to some extent.
All I’m saying is given the total redesign of both APU inlets (or whatever they are) and their housings on T-50-3- making them distinctive even from each other, I find it highly unlikely they’re smooth & concave like on the two preceding prototypes.
If you watch the following footage preferably in 1080p, when T-50-4 is taxying (from 0:36-0:39s @ 0.25x speed) those shapes are constant and discernable on both housings as the aircraft rotates, independent of light/shadows etc. That can only be because they exist as structures, the evidence is conclusive for the starboard one, at least.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knJ4LsbGaNk
I was wondering, given your skills at rendering with software, could you trace this ‘IGV’ round accurately, so we can see its precise positioning outside the intake structure?
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showpost.php?p=1966593&postcount=435
This is my somewhat woeful attempt:
Everybody duck for that low-flying asteroid on February 15th (2012DA14), my birthday incidentally:


The facets are a function of the (shaped) APU inlets slanting outwards, differing from the 2 preceding prototypes where they were slanting inwards. Facets are also discernable on the starboard (L) inlet, which is in shadow (note shadow of aircraft on the tarmac) and not as sharply focused as the port (R which is in direct daylight. Also, notwithstanding the fact the starboard APU is a different shape to the port.
Given a dull, overcast day I would highly doubt such shadow effects could result in such sharp, structured shapes on the port if it was a smooth, uniform surface a la ’51’ & ’52’. In fact, the lighting/shadow conditions probably highlight the shapes. Besides, the visible reflections have blurry edges.
I think it’s great they’re paying such attention to the ‘small fish’, having fried the “bigger fish” probably around a decade ago.
Obvious for T-50-3 maybe, as it’s the first to employ such shaping.
Here is T-50-2:
…and T-50-1:
http://paralay.com/su50/IMG_4565.JPG
I wouldn’t surprise me if out of focus *high-res* official pics of new machines in their primer becomes the new normal, just when thing were starting to get [really] interesting.
[rollyeyes] 9 mein herzzz:



Interesting shape(s)…

Original:
…now that’s what I call attention to detail :diablo:
Mr Asakura posted some info on integrated blocker in the first stage of the engine as well as another touch of the dynamic airduct. What they finally decide on will be interesting, what we know is that they have many options on the table.
Actually, those were my nearly 2 year-old speculations based on a somewhat ingenious solution the Japanese intend to employ to screen the compressors of the ATD-X:
http://gb.zinio.com/reader.jsp?issue=416156224&o=int&prev=sub&p=35
Blockers become problematic due to flow distortion, which degrades engine performance, and the need to heat the blocker to prevent ice accretion, which can result in FOD.
Agreed, for precisely these reasons a blocker can be ruled out on the T-50 (imho). The Russkies simply ‘don’t do’ blockers, we would have at least seen a fore-runner on the 117S/Su-35S, instead they chose to treat the ducts and compressor with RAM (with considerable success)*.
Since then much more evidence has come to light (including the patent in Sintra’s post), which has led me to conclude there will be no blocker, instead they’ve come up with an uber-ingenious solution of a very-low reflective (stealth) compressor by means of the structure and material composition of the fan blade itself.
The engines are canted in order to reflect any incident waves off the compressor into the intake duct which itself is made of modified polymer (carbon fibre) matrix composite materials- a de factoRAS.
Here the duct (or as it’s called an ‘air channel’) is given by the #5 from the official patent drawings:

I recently came across a Russian patent published in 2008, detailing a Polymer Matrix Composite (PMC) RAM, which after modification with CNTs exhibited -28.6dB absorption over the frequency range 8-26GHz.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but -28.6dB absorption would amount to ~95% absorption in the said (broad) X-band.
Note the patent was not from one of the more established aerospace concerns with considerable RAM/RAS experience, such as FGUP VIAM, FGUP TsIAM and even TsAGI:
Фуллерены, углеродные трубки и алмазы используют как добавки для модификации и получения новых свойств других материалов… Особые надежды возлагают на них в авиационной отрасли. Ожидается, что созданные с использованием нанотехнологий высокопрочные материалы и покрытия позволят снизить массу летательных аппаратов, а наноструктурные радиопоглощающие покрытия помогут создавать «невидимые» военные самолеты.
Fullerenes, carbon nanotubes, and diamonds are used as additives to modify and synthesise new properties of other materials…Special hopes are placed upon them [for applications] in the aviation industry. It is expected to use nanotechnology [in the creation of] high strength materials and coatings which will reduce the weight of aircraft, and nanostructured radar absorbent coatings will help create “invisible” (stealth) warplanes.
Clearly, you can expect the definitive materials destined for the T-50 to be pretty kick-ass, especially those for the duct and the compressor.
So many secrets…
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showpost.php?p=1968209&postcount=87
Nice feature on the MS-21, including what look like Siemens PLM renditions & cockpit demo (from 11:48 to 18:36):
If all goes well with testing of all those, first preproduction batch may get produced in second half 2014/ first half of 2015. If all goes well with verification of performance from those planes, first actual serial batch may go into production by the end of 2015. or in first half of 2016, thus getting everything ready for introduction in service in 2017/2018. So far, the programme seems mostly on track.
You’re forgetting one vital ingredient, the Stage 2 engine. NPO Saturn’s Chief, Fyodorov described the current 117 as “not economically viable” at an engine expo last year i.e. there are no plans to launch even limited series production of the 117 beyond the state flight test programme.
So if they commence bench tests of the Izd.30 sometime 2014 and all goes well thereafter, then it should be certified and ready for serial production around 2018, which is generally seen as a more realistic timeline for PAK-FA serial machines to start rolling off the lines (note ACM Browne has the FGFA slated for around 2021).
Pogosyan has intimated that firmer details regarding the Izd.30 would emerge @ MAKS 2013.
11 & 12 arrive @ Voronezh:
I think this is interesting. Perhaps you can help me with something.
1. The patent documents (that we have seen in this forum in .pdf) show the lower half of what looks like a compressor. The image doesn’t resemble that of a typical IGV.
I agree, though it’s more like a lower 1/3 (at worst).
2. Following from that, wouldn’t a typical IGV be aligned with the engine? Would there be an offset between them as is implied here? Wouldn’t that be counter intuitive for an IGV?
Not necessarily, the circular frame of the ‘IGV’ is totally at odds with the engine alignment but that is not relevant. It’s the vanes’ positioning that do the work of ‘straightening out & directing‘ the airflow to the unconventional lie of the compressor.
3. Although the upper half of the T-50 does indeed seem to indicate the engine must be pointing inwards somewhere behind the cockpit, the lower half clearly contradicts that with the nacelles pointing straight and the intake walls partially curving but NOT obstructing view to the engine.
You’d be absolutely right, look @ where the core nozzle is pointing (ignore the TVC nozzle petals):
Hence, the engine is directly aligned with the top cowling, and angled within the lower.
4. Wouldn’t an IGV be another contributor to RCS in the duct similar to a compressor fan? perhaps not as much, must still.
That would depend entirely on the material composition of the IGV (and the compressor for that matter), would it not? 😉
5. The now infamous photo of the T-50 with the straight through duct showing the lower half of the compressor, in that photo it looks like a proper compressor, not an IGV, but it seems to be in roughly the same position. (some say that photo was ps’d I hear. )
I beg to differ, I think you’ll find that infamous high-res shot has much more in common with the IGV (notwithstanding it’s in the same location). The engine cannot be substantially longer and have two bends in it.
Me thinks it worthy of reposting this here, to finally lay an old fallacy (and favourite whipping boy) to rest.
IGV (inlet guide vane), simply follow the inner circumference round to give you precise location & alignment (also note stationary vanes :rolleyes:, diameter of it’s surround and same intake wall colour before & aft):

Original pic:
Compare:
http://russianplanes.net/id93740
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