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Hi Res pics of Soobrazitelnyy (Сообразительный) during Navy Day in St. Petersburg, c/o pfc-joker:
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6510/128858542.16/0_88182_8e0dcc06_orig
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6410/128858542.16/0_87b70_590b946f_orig
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6411/128858542.16/0_88181_8df90ff0_orig
Nice shot! You don’t happen to have it in larger resolution?
http://www.eglin.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/2012/09/120919-f-zz987-001.jpg
http://www.eglin.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/2012/09/120919-f-zz987-002.jpg
http://www.eglin.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/2012/09/120919-f-zz987-006.jpg
http://www.eglin.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/2012/09/120919-f-zz987-005.jpg
http://www.eglin.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/2012/09/120919-f-zz987-004.jpg
…and that particular one:
http://www.eglin.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/2012/09/120919-f-zz987-000.jpg
Considering China hacked Lockheed-Martins servers, looking for information on a still classified program, and downloaded everything on the F-22 and F-35 while they were at it, you’re not far off. Of course, we (The public) never found out if they got the information on the classified program they were trying to get the tech on.
Not everything, the evidence suggests data only for the F-35 front and F-22 fins 😀
LM & Co. need to install this:
Anthony Dunn | September 20 11:55am | Permalink
The history of inept and incompetent decisions made by a succession of clowns in suits haunts this company. Its board of directors has been kept in clover off the back of the UK taxpayer for decades.
From my time in the MoD Procurement Executive, I recall the then British Aerospace’s attempt to shift the costs of their ill-considered BAe146 civil jet project onto the MoD via the “Warton overhead rate” in the early-mid 1990s. Having been gifted the Rover Group, they proceeded to asset strip the latter via their Arlington Securities property arm rather than invest the proceeds into the car business. And then, that phenomenally stupid decision to put all of their eggs into the defence market when they sold their Airbus stake to EADS just when everyone was talking about contracting defence spending and a “peace dividend”…. As for the idea that BAE Systems might gear up for increased defence procurement in the Far East? Eeks, some of them might have to learn a language other than English. Doh!
You almost could not make up the serial ineptitude shown by the directors of this company.
The numbers:
http://otp.investis.com/clients/uk/bae-systems/rns/regulatory-story.aspx?cid=288&newsid=259523
They haven’t copied. They’ve adopted established design solutions from 2 different aircraft in order to avoid the time, effort & expense of a ‘clean sheet’ design (such as the AMCA, KF-X or ATD-X). If they’d gone down that route they’d have a technical-engineering knowledge base of how and why the end product was reached. They have this for the J-20 because much of the ground work may have already been done elsewhere and they are in possession of all the data, which has facilitated their modifications to suite their needs.
In the J-31’s case, I’m not so sure of how this ‘mating’ of 2 designs can deliver an aerodynamically efficient and structurally sound fighter by mere tinkering- such as enlarging an F-35 type intake, huge F-22 style fins etc. Besides, it would be difficult to put down certain features such as the contour and integration of the upper chine, radome shape & segment (in fact much of the fore cockpit bulkhead) as a coincidence, if this was a ‘clean sheet’ design, especially if it transpires that the dimensions of such features are near-identical to the F-35. Certainly if BAE Systems’ was hacked as far back as 2008 (as reported), then that data would have easily been in time to be incorporated.
It looks like they have great faith in their CAD packages to iron out any scalability & dynamic issues of this hybrid design. CFD can only go so far to predict real world characteristics so the flight test programme will be interesting.
Kudos and good luck to them.
I’d expect the big french defence companies to start looking at consolidation if the BAE-EADS deal starts making progress. In particular Thales & Safran would have to bury their differences and merge. Dassault may have to take a serious look @ merging with Thales ( in which it already owns 26%) in order to avoid being side-lined in the military business -especially as BAE-EADS will likely market Eurofighter aggressively which in turn would have implications for EADS’ 46% ‘passive’ shareholding of Dassault.
Things are looking much more complicated for Finmeccanica, as a BAE-EADS merger would leave it a minority partner in both Eurofighter and MBDA. Speculation is that it may sell it’s stakes in both to raise much needed cash. The commercially challenging environment may then spur it to look @ consolidation, perhaps with Thales?
If Sarko was still around he’d never have allowed EADS to enter discussions with BAE for a possible merger in order to protect Dassault and the somewhat disjointed french defence sector. But he’s not and if large scale merger-related redundancies can be avoided then it may prove politically and commercially desirable, especially as it would reduce vulnerabilities in the next down cycle -particularly in civil aviation which has considerable overcapacity.
As US defence spending drops, US firms will do their utmost to freeze out foreign contractors and pursue opportunities in Europe in an attempt to transform NATO into some sort of procurement agency for US defence systems, the BAE-EADS merger may provide an effective ‘firewall’ against this outcome. Still a long way to go though.
Btw, where does this leave the BAE-Dassault FCAS deal?
you gave the answer yourself… daimler can sell only to a german company (politics), so these shares can’t go to BAe, we’re back to the point where BAe has no way to buy 40% of EADS shares as stated previously
In Germany, the deal was welcomed by one of EADS’s key shareholders that has long wanted to withdraw from the group. Daimler, which controls 22.5 per cent of EADS, said: “Since the planned transaction would also be linked to a possible dissolution of the [French and German] shareholder pact, all options would be open to us in principle – including the possibility of selling our stake on the open market.”
Pay attention! 😡
US likely to demand strict safeguards, may insist on BAE demerging it’s US defence businesses, target for US takeover not ruled out:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e6e5437a-fdbc-11e1-9901-00144feabdc0.html#axzz26HevN7tj
desperate? really? if it was true and if it could just sell, it would have been out of it long time ago, now, you have three posibilities
– they don’t want to sell
– they can’t sell as the decision is a political one
– both of the abovemake your choice, but in any case, BAe owning 40% of EADS is pretty much impossible any time soon (if ever)
A- False
B- True
C- False…
Daimler has said it wants to exit EADS because it isn’t a core holding, but found no other German company interested in buying its stake.
The German government has wanted to keep Daimler’s stake in German hands.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444017504577645190880139880.html
:p
BAE SYSTEMS’ falls today can be explained as profit booking, post late rally yesterday afternoon. However, I’d be quite concerned about the huge volumes (levels not seen in over a year) of EADS’ shares literally being ‘dumped’ right now…remember this is not ‘facebook’!
how, in such environment, could BAe expect to have 40% of EADS?
Daimler is desperate to exit with it’s 22.5% stake, this may also have implications for Sogepa as the Franco-German shareholder pact would probably also be liquidated.
I don’t envisage this tie-up leading to any grandiose projects like ‘Eurofighter2′, for BAE SYSTEMS this is more about having access to EADS’ healthy balance sheet that will enable it to make more acquisitions in up and coming sectors & companies involved in cybersecurity, radars and comms.
It may allow EADS access to the lucrative US market, which is all the more reason the likes of LM and Boeing will do their utmost to stifle this deal (tankers anyone?)
EADS was downgraded from ‘buy’ to ‘neutral’ this morning (LTP @ EUR25.66, -8.36% at time of posting).
This story made me laugh! Having made tons of ca$h in the US on the various incarnations of ‘The War on Terror’ by buying up small-medium sized US defence firms going cheap, now these are winding down, BAE Systems finds itself beached with it’s trunks down having run the UK defence industry into the ground. So what could be better (or shrewder) in these austere times? Ah, yes, a merger with EADS (owning 40%).
BA:LSE + 8%, EAD:PAR -5.63% speaks volumes (no pun intended!)
Long way to go yet, Paris, Berlin, EC commission on monopolies…and BAE’s greatest hurdle, from it’s biggest customer- the US. 😀
Latest update:
Here is the pretty awesome CV of OAO ‘NPP Motor’:
ОАО NPP “Motor”
It is one of the leading Russian companies which designs and manufactures high-performance gas turbine engines for military aircraft and gas turbine power sets for power systems. It was established as the experimental design bureau No. 26 (OKB) of the Ministry of Aviation Industry of the USSR by the Order of Minister of Aviation Industry as of September 26, 1955. This date is considered the birthday of the company.
Over the last years, they created the team of designers in NPP “Motor” who know advanced technologies of production and development of aircraft engines. Industrial and laboratory testing facilities are well developed.
OKB specialists constructed about 50 aircraft engines and their modifications for different models of such airplanes as MiG, Yak, Su and unmanned aircraft. Twenty-four of them were produced commercially in OAO “UMPO”. Among them there is a family of highly reliable engines R13-300, R13F-300 and R25-300 for MiG-21 and Su-15, R95SH and R195 for attack aircrafts Su-25 and Su-39.
NPP “Motor” designs gas turbine propulsion engines KR17-300, KR21-300 and KR23 for cruise missiles of maritime purposes such as “Vulcan,” “Granite” and “Meteorite” produced by VPK “NPO Mashinostroyenia”.They constructed a low-pressure compressor together with the main developer of engine RD33 (OAO Klimov”) for fighter plane MiG-29. They also developed a low pressure compressor, low pressure turbine, and aircraft accessory gear box for engines of the 5th generation together with OAO “Lyulka-Saturn”. *
In cooperation with OAO “Lyulka-Saturn”, OAO “UMPO”, MKB “Granite” and FGUP MMPP “Salyut”, they performed development works on final design and preparation for mass production of AL-31F engine for heavy fighter Su-27. NPP “Motor” is the only Russian developer of multifunctional flat output devices with control thrust vector, allowing the plane to get a unique flight and combat performance via realization of potential energy capabilities of the engine. The effectiveness of such devices designed by NPP “Motor” is confirmed by flight tests of the prototype on a flying laboratory of Su-27LL.**…
NPP “Motor” is an active participant in development of new aircraft engines. As part of cooperation with OAO UMPO and OAO “NPO Saturn”, the enterprise participates in development works to produce engines 117 and 117S for Su-35 & PAK FA. They also designed a low-pressure compressor of the engine AL-55I for the plane HJT-36 of Indian Air Force.
In cooperation with the enterprises of “Obyedinennaya Dvigatelestroitelnaya Korporatsiya” (ODK), NPP “Motor” is engaged in creating a family of future-oriented engines with the thrust of 9-18 tons for civil aircraft and the new generation engine for PAK-FA of Phase II.
NPP “Motor” participates in formation of technological advance with application of key technologies in the following areas: development of a composite inlet guide vane and primary wheel of a low pressure compressor with a lightweight (hollow) rotor blade on the basis of diffusion welding and linear friction welding ***; development of one-stage low-pressure turbine with high gas-dynamic efficiency and power-weight ratio; development of a high-performance high-pressure compressor; development of a high-performance afterburner; development of a high-performance low-pressure turbine with rotor blades made of intermetallic titanium…
http://technopark-at.ufa-rb.ru/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=34&Itemid=27 (full version in ingwish)
So clearly these guys are LP compressor specialists and (in co-operation with UGATU) have probably some of the most up-to-date CAD/CAM, materials science, rapid prototyping facilities etc. anywhere in Rossiya.
I guess the odds have shortened considerably on their Mg-B/CFRP MMC fan blade being the one for the PAK-FA stage 2 engine, or can it be that a 6 year R&D effort is merely to keep idle brains and hands busy, or just for laughs.
* the original AL-41F;
** 2-D TVC;
***BLISK
UMPO tools up for ‘BLISK’ production (Linear Friction Welding) for 5G engines, with partners……? Yip, you guessed it! ‘NPP Motor’ & UGATU.
http://www.umpo.ru/News118_664.aspx
Awesome pic. Welcome back ’51’, С возвращением!
Here is a report (from 2002) on the synthesis of regular Magnesium Boride (MgB) structure to MgB MWNT:
http://livescience.ru/content/view/831/227/
So by all accounts this fan-blade is a Magnesium Boride MWNT carbon fibre composite structure.
Latest update:
The above supposition is wrong because the fan blade is not composed of the compound Magnesium-boride (MgB), but the 2 individual elements of Magnesium, Boron combined with Carbon-fibre composite. Apologies, misled by technical paper(s) stating “Mg-B”.
These three constituents are used to form what’s known as a Metal Matrix Composite (MMC)/Металлические матрицы (Металлокомпозиты).
Создание современных газотурбинных двигателей (ГТД) характеризуется заменой в ряде деталей традиционных конструкционных материалов (сталей и титановых сплавов) на современные композиционные материалы (КМ), имеющие более высокие удельные прочность и жесткость.
Такие работы проводят все ведущие двигателестроительные фирмы мира
(General Electric, Pratt and Whitney, CFM International и др.). Исследованиями в этой области в нашей стране занимаются ФГУП ЦИАМ, ФГУП ВИАМ**, ОАО «НПП «Мотор», ОАО «Пермский моторный завод» и др.В настоящее время одним из основных направлений по применению КМ в газотурбинных двигателях является создание лопатки из углепластика, лопатки из титанового сплава, армированного волокнами карбида кремния, лопатки составной конструкции и лопатки из КМ на металлической матрице.
Creation of modern gas turbine engines (GTE) are characterized by the replacement of some parts of traditional structural materials (steels and titanium alloys) with modern composite materials (CM) with a higher specific strength and stiffness
Such work is undertaken by the leading engine manufacturers of the World (General Electric, Pratt and Whitney, CFM International, etc.). Research in this area in our country is undertaken by ‘FGUP TsIAM’, ‘FGUP VIAM’**, OAO ‘NPP Motor’, OAO ‘Perm Engine Plant’ and others.
Currently, one of the main activities on the application of composite materials in turbine engines blades is a establishment of fan blades from CFRP*, fan blades from titanium alloys, reinforced silicon carbide composite blades*, and fan blades composed of composite materials on a metal matrix*.
В перспективных двигателях пятого и шестого поколений на первых ступенях применяются лопатки из металлокомпозитов, где в матрице из алюминиевого или магниевого сплава располагаются армирующие нити из бора или углерода.
В ОАО «НПП «Мотор» создана рабочая лопатка первой ступени компрессора ГТД на основе магниевой матрицы, армированной борными и углеродными волокнами.
In the first [compressor] stages of the future 5th & 6th generation engines ‘metal-composites’ shall be employed in the fan blades, whereby the matrix made of aluminium or magnesium alloy are reinforced with yarns of boron or carbon.
OAO “NPP” Motor ” have established a working fan-blade of the [engine] compressor’s first stage based on a magnesium matrix, reinforced with boron and carbon fibre composite.
Although ‘Metal-Matrix Composites’ are not new, the use of carbon nanotube (CNT) reinforcements is:
Widespread use of metal matrix composites (MMCs) is perhaps 15 to 20 years away, with research only now beginning for commercial aviation applications. Gear says these materials, which will use carbon or metal nanotubes to strengthen metal matrices, will be twice the strength of comparable existing metal structures but only two-thirds the weight.
http://www.gkn.com/aerospace/media/GKN%20Aerospace%20in%20the%20media/Challenges-in-composites.pdf
Boron & carbon fibres can be used as reinforcing materials in the ‘traditional’ sense, by embedding and aligning the fibres in the matrix in a particular direction to produce an anisotropic structure. However, I’m pretty certain CNTs will be used to reinforce the carbon fibre in ‘NPP Motor’s’ Mg-B based MMC fan blade.***
CNTs are already used in MMCs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_nanotube_metal_matrix_composites
http://web.eng.fiu.edu/agarwala/PDF/2010/12.pdf
The use of tailor made carbon nanotubes (CNTs) would facilitate not only significantly greater structural reinforcement/thermal stability etc, but efficient broadband (microwave) radar absorption***. As it has been shown that several Russian companies and academic institutions (including aerospace concerns) have demonstrated this technology and it’s synthesis/production for several years***, there is no reason to assume they didn’t implement it, and every reason to suggest they did:
FGUP TsIAM’s (ФГУП ЦИАМ) 2nd patent (2009)for a different CNT synthesis & production method, pertaining to produce MWNTs and other nanostructured carbon fibre composites as a “raw material” in a single process, on an industrial scale for use in “hybrid, high-temperature composite materials for the aviation industry and missile production”:
http://www.findpatent.ru/patent/240/2408531.html
http://www.findpatent.ru/patent/237/2379387.html (TsIAM’s 1st patent, 2008);
http://www.itae.ru/obsh_sved_e.htm (ITAE state contract U0875/2268);
In conclusion, I would expect significant use of CNTs not only for the engine (compressor blades, turbines, engine shroud etc.) but importantly, also the T-50’s air intakes’ cavity and duct- which is made from CFRP:
http://www.rusnanonet.ru/articles/73667/
*All these are candidates for CNT composites;
**’FGUP VIAM’ (ФГУП ВИАМ) are long established and serious players in composites and nanotech applications including stealth (e.g. the RAM for the Tu-160’s intakes), and are also PAK-FA stage 2 engine contractors:
http://ntsr.info/science/reviews/2117.htm
***see pages 3 & 4.
You’re absolutely right Lonevolk, I’ll be more civil to ActionJackson and even befriend Kapedani…but sshhh…don’t tells anybodies…

C/o pavel @ paralayiboards: