No, but the size & shape/configuration of the DSI has changed:

It’s not the curvature alone what makes s-duct effective.
No but how much of the Yak-130’s engine lies above the wing? 0%?
Now what’s the answer for the T-50?

Big hint:

5 – канал воздухозаборника (the air intake duct).
…if you don’t believe the patent, a guy who actually works on the plane has confirmed S-ducts. What more do you need?
I’ve lodged patent applications on behalf of OEMs before and they are about as near to going on airframes as warp drives!
Patent =/= On aircraft.
Well given that the T-50 has 3 confirmed X-band AESAs and another highly likely (in the tail), the EW/jammer function isn’t so outlandish. Not like its the ‘Death Star’s ray’.
The forerunner to the ELINT systems are already installed and functioning on the Su-35S, the major difference is the T-50’s features more modern fabrication (L/HTCC & SoC).
Si Signore:

[:rolleyes: you seem to prefer insulting people instead of using well-reasoned argument 😉 do you
It would only be an insult if it was untrue.
[didnt work well in previous thread , did it 😉 http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?136221-Is-the-J-20-the-least-maneuverable-5th-gen/page4
Aaah yes, you’re the ‘King of DSI’ too…but I wager only one of us has university-level qualifications in mechanics of fluids.
Seriously, Goodbye now…and say hello to my ‘ignore list’.
A useful posting, but one needs to be aware that what appears in Russian patents may not reflect the engineering reality of the hardware finally fielded. As a Russian delegate to a recent defence conference pointed out, the Russian approach in recent years has been to patent any technical approach that might eventually prove viable.
The author(s) of that patent are OKB Sukhoi employees and are specifically assigned to the development of the T-50’s avionics. That patent is the second (of three) incarnations. The third (most recent) differs only in minor updates.
I cannot see any direct connection between the links you have posted and the levels of RCS that the T-50 is likely to have at beam, rear-aspect, or any other angle.
(1) CNT RAM composite engine cowling;
(2) New heat-exchanger cover and corner-reflector installation to assess rear sector RCS (especially if they’re using differential nozzle actuation);
(3) high-erosion-resistant radar absorbing coatings of afterburner and other engine elements by robotic plasma spraying. The partners are those developing the Type-30.
I was not at MAKS but the information from the show that hit my still-undormant IN tray (I am supposed to be enjoying a well-earned retirement!) suggests that it was a very un-quiet MAKS infowise.
Good. I look forward to your revelations. Anything on PAK-FA’s new AAMs?
it matched now , happy ? 😉 , doesn’t make any different at all , it still show that you dont know how to read a simple graph
Really?! English is neither of our first languages but I don’t use it as an excuse to hide my intellectual flaws. Can you see @ 8GHz? Do your squares match? Not fixing ‘evidence’ much?
Mr. ActionJackson, save us from this brain-musher!!
you truely believed stealth fighter will have exactly same RCS from all angle ? really?
Mig-31bm, you’re a fruitcake. Goodbye.
actually, i pointed out many of your mistakes such as reading graph wrong
Yeah, you really have a unique way of pointing out my many mistakes:
nice try Sakura , you take a single RCS value at very narrow aspect and tried to claim that is the B-2 RCS at 1 Ghz :highly_amused:
‘Oh-oh-spaghettios’!!…and still at least 10x more reflective from the more discrete aspects!
Concurring quite well with the 18-20dBsm increase for 1GHz stated by industry academics & professionals (at least in the worst offending regions).
Still no explanation why your squares don’t match the whole X-axis? K.
Anyways, I’ve e-mailed Marcelo Bender Perotoni, Luiz Alberto de Andrade, Mirabel Cerqueira Rezende, Eugene F. Knott, John Shaeffer, Michael Tuley the management of Northrop Grumman and last (but not least) Edward ‘Radarman’ Lovick Jr. to say they have all been *corrected*. I’m sure, like myself, they’ll really appreciate your knowledgeable efforts.
it a beam aspect with narrow angle , because the aircraft is constantly moving , that beam aspect will be shown to enemy for a very short amount of time, stealth aircraft can have side RCS of thousands square meters and it still doesn’t matter…
:highly_amused: :highly_amused: COME BACK Mr. ActionJackson!!! ALL IS FORGIVEN!!!
Anti-stealth Collocated (Network Centric) Multi-Band Radar System (CMBRS) involving advanced signal processing:
The most important finding is that targets in CMBRS have 8−13dB higher RCS and has less aspect angle dependences and consequently improved (doubled) target detection range than currently in operational “L” (or “S”) band radars for long range air surveillance.
Bear in mind 8-13dB equates to a 5-25m^2 increase in RCS – over and above the expert consensus (an average of 18dB) for the narrow L-band & sub-L-band.
So even if you were of the somewhat fragile disposition that the L-X band difference is “only 10dB”, this equates to a whopping increase of 18-23dB (>100m^2). Oh, and the Nebo-M represents the operationalization of CMBRS:
the simulation have been your main point ,and i pointed out the mistake in it , if it make such big obvious mistake then the accuracy of he other part of the simulation are questionable
actually no ,not all , do you know why ?
because in their graph , they connected the point below 2 Ghz (-10dBsm ) with that 40 dBsm point , instead of the 18 dBsm point,
do you even know how to read a graph ?
Nice try but 200 MHz to 600 MHz isnt L band , and have nothing to do with discussion from the start , the ” ~20dBsm is confirmed in other literature” is about L band , all others simulation posted from start didn’t go bellow 1 Ghz
nice try Sakura , you take a single RCS value at very narrow aspect and tried to claim that is the B-2 RCS at 1 Ghz :highly_amused: ,but you know what funny? if you actually paying attention , the undergraduate study also showed massive RCS from exactly the same aspect , also reached 20 dBsm (aka 100 m2 )
however both design still showed relative small frontal RCS at 1 Ghz
So much blah, blah, blah and not a single answer of any substance. No answers because you don’t have any.
The graphs & charts I read every day are very different to the ones you come across in high school. Btw, speaking of “nice tries” why don’t your squares match further down the x-axis? Hmmm…
Did you even consider for one moment how your beloved ug stealth plane is going to fly, fight and survive with a beam aspect of 100m^2 (20dB) @ 10GHz??! That’s the same as a B-52!! Was that in the RFP too?!:highly_amused:
Amiga, I’ve already tried to explain that to him. He is not to be taken seriously.
seriously Sakura , are you trying to troll ?
look at the picture and count the square …
It’s like explaining to a child. I have NEVER claimed 40dBsm* – it is you who has claimed I did (slanderously). But if that measly point means so much to you in the face of your laughable understanding of the subject, then by all means e-mail the dude for clarification over that anomaly. Incidentally, does your line not strike 18dB first?
You cannot knock down what I originally posted so easily:
Since the RAM are not so effective against UHF and VHF frequencies, it is possible to see that around 200 MHz and 600 MHz the computed frontal RCS [of the F-22] lies in the average range of 20 dBsm.
Because ~20dBsm is confirmed in other literature.**
So your beloved undergraduate study achieved 10m^2 @ L-band compared to 100m^2 shown by Professor Oleg I. Sukharevsky. So is the Professor a liar?
Have the undisputed ‘Kings of Stealth’ (Northrop) made an absolute stinker with the B2 and been bettered by an undergraduate? Only one of the two is a ‘broadband’ stealth design, can you guess which? Do you even know what is meant by broadband stealth? Where are the computational electromagnetic studies to back up the ug’s claims?
That’s too many questions for you, just explain this:
Undergraduate study/ notional stealth striker = 10m^2 @ 1GHz
Professor Oleg I. Sukharevsky/ Northrop B-2 = 100m^2 @ 1 GHz.
*http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?135977-Su-35-versus-F-35-in-command-sim&p=2253898#post2253898
**https://books.google.co.jp/books?id=0WuGjb8sqCUC&pg=PA59&lpg=PA59&dq=l+band+radar+rcs&source=bl&ots=N6nRfCRPJl&sig=_DJXx3gFzYdvTry50I6RkW4RQFs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDsQ6AEwCGoVChMIy4zD_-_XxwIVSf9yCh20VwVo#v=onepage&q=l%20band%20radar%20rcs&f=false
… together with the T-50’s speed and agility (and the absence of Western equivalents to Russian long-range surface-to-air missiles) it has apparently allowed the beam and rear-aspect radar cross-section specification to be relaxed.
Yeah right :rolleyes:
http://forum.keypublishing.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=233358&d=1412270392
http://russianplanes.net/images/to172000/171843.jpg
http://www.itae.ru/staff/page_units/Lab7/%D0%9B%D0%B0%D0%B1%20%E2%84%967%20(%D0%93%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2).pdf
The T-50 will be no use to anyone if a Meteor totting Eurofighter can blow it to pieces without too much difficulty, I highly doubt S-4/500s will be providing covering fire.
Honestly Bill, just because it was a quiet MAKS info wise doesn’t mean you have to make stuff up!
I’m not a registered user of AW&ST, but PAK-FA’s EW/jamming suite is as follows:
Integrated radar system (IRTS), composed of:
– Systems of electronic reconnaissance and electronic countermeasures (RTR / REP) 17, which provides for detection, measurement of parameters, continual threat assessment of air and ground radar-emitting targets, issuing information received to the BTSVS 33 and setting (EW) jamming both through its antenna, and through the active phased array (AESA) of the radar system (RLS)…
ok Jo, you take a ruler and draw a line from the 40dBsm point down, and see for yourself where it touch
I already did – and you are wrong! (again).
I warned you you’re clutching at a single straw trying to rewrite the laws of physics, now the very source you’ve been lauding as confirmation has merely highlighted huge flaws in your understanding of the subject. Hiding behind an avalanche of RCS101 time and time again (irrespective of the reader’s tedium – I weep for KeyPubs’ bandwidth I really do), does you no favours.
Any reasonable person would wish for the ground to open up and swallow them whole.
Anyways, I’ve got a question for you:
What is the factor increase from 0.1 to 100?
There’s a prize for the correct answer (because I am kind).