The section pictured was recovered by myself and some collegues from Nostell priory nr. wakefield where it had been displayed, We became “involved ” with YAM and subsequently the then “Halifax Project” I donated the section of fuselage after displaying it at several airshows over the years,the then commitee decided that it was of no use to the project and i believe it was scrapped without any thought( it certainly wasnt used )and without consulting me,at the time this piece of fuselage was the third largest piece of surviving halifax and we had spent some time doing cosmetic work on it to tidy it up for display,i dont think its around now as previously stated.:cool:
Thanks for the update Vic,
Pity that it’s no longer with us anymore. Any more info on the background of this item? This one was confused several times with the other section found at Linton on Ouse.
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Cees
Don’t know:dev2:
Cees
Ok Peter,
Here’s a photo by Paul Waites. Taken in the seventies, and you see here the “covered waggon” the section of fuselage fitted over the wing centre section. Does anyone know what happened to it? I don’t think it was fitted to HR792 at Elvington as that part came from Linton on Ouse.
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Cees
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That’s why I (and a lot of people I know) have a profound and deep respect for what these men did.:o
Every veteran I have met over the years and their numbers dwindle more and more as time goes by, have impressed me by their character and also admitting that they were scared stiff. Who wouldn’t be!!! Someone who would say not to be afraid was lying……. But they kept it under their hats. Talking about it was taboo.
I have some personal experience with post traumatic stress and to a very very very very small extent I know what they must have felt (and that hundreds of times over). They had a job to carry out and they did that, but against impossible odds. Not surprisingly that some cracked, but mental aid was nothing compared to what’s going on now with people coming back from war zones.
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Cees
LMF Lack of Moral Fibre was this a fair method of dealing with aircrew cracking under the immense stress of endless nightly ops.:mad:
No, absolutely not, but it was a drastic measure to prevent the deterioration of morale.
Cees
Just my two cents
Who says that crashsites are “undisturbed”?
These aircraft with missing aircrew didn’t ask to crash into a meadow somewhere where nobody can pay their respects. It’s an event that
hasn’t been concluded (yet).
Recovering these sites (talking purely about the missing aircrew cases) is the natural follow up to put things right.
Crashes without UXB or missing aircrew are purely investigated out of interest into the events leading to the crash, from a technical point of interest (mine in this case). There are more reasons to think about.
Am I wrong or right?
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Cees
Mark,
Thanks for the explanation, that was exactely what I was hoping for (and the piccies of course, which are always irresistable).
I am slowly starting to understand the whole provenance matter now as well. So RX168 is a non-starting/never has been project.
So the fuselage structure will someday turn up on either Mk I or the Seafire recovered near Malta.
Very interesting (seems like I’m repeating myself)
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Cees2x:D
Thanks, very interesting read.
I quote
A collection of boxes stacked on shelves represents the remainder of Seafire Mk III RX168. It is likely that these original components will be incorporated into an early mark Spitfire rebuild. A new build fuselage originally created for RX168 is also likely to end up in another aircraft.
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So what’s the fate of RX168 (oblivion?)
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Cees
Hi Nick,
Yes and no,
Thes engines were recovered a few months ago by a diving team after a fishing trawler snagged it’s nets on a Lancaster wreck we found in 1996. One of the engines was recovered in 1998 by us and has been on display ever since.
We had arranged to have the rest recovered by the Dutch Navy this or next year. We claimed the rights on the wreck just to prevent illegal recoveries like this. The engines were confiscated by the Dutch AF after we informed them and if all goes well these bits will hopefully be delivered at our museum soon. Pity they don’t preserve them in the meantime and corrosion has already set in. They are in very good condition (Packard Merlin 28’s).
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Cees
ME109-E
Sounds very familiar……:o
Cees
I have seen the Bluebird updates and I am impressed by the way they try to piece it together again using as much original material as possible. Perhaps this would be a way of doing W1048 with only replacing items that are missing or damaged (such as the starboard nose skinning and the starboard wing), and keeping it in a jig to keep the airframe rigid as looking as it has been at the bottom of the lake.
The AWM reconstructed a Beaufort in a similar way and managed to keep much original material. Althoug the result would be patchy but impressive nevertheless.
Just a thought
Cees
I’d just like to add my apprecation for your post, Bruce. Having a ‘Subject Matter Expert’ (as we call them) on hand to give the definitive view is good news for the forum.
Well said,
I think we have experts on the forum for most types, which is a unique occurence. Very informative.
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Cees
Clearing out the garage I came acrss a couple of parts that have been collecting dust for some time. Both believed to be WW2 era the first carries the number 52323C1 (small spar with pulley attached, came from a dig in the 80’s) the second has what looks like P693813 (looks like part of a wing or tail piece)
I will try and post some photo’s. Many thanks in advance.
52 = prefix for HP52 meaning Hampden
Photo’s would be nice
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Cees
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It will be green, cockpitgreen I say (large tin of Humbrol 78)
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Cees