This is probably an obvious question that’s been well researched, but I haven’t had the opportunity of seeing the books or TV programme. I assume the teams have researched whether the tail of Bader’s Spitfire wasn’t blown off as a result of flak?
Or perhaps an extra man on a grassy noll?
I was also wondering, were any other aces on any side of the war ever known to have been shot down by friendly fire (either air to air or by flak or shps, etc?)
Short answer is, yes there was. In Keeping with this thread, Whaley Heppell, who’s name was bandied around quite freely by both Andy Suanders and Dilip Sarkar, was a victim of ‘friendly fire’. As an ‘Ace’ during the battle of Malta, Whaley Heppell was shot down by aa fire, April 8, 1942. He was later to state: ‘I recall registering strikes in the wing roots and tail unit of the Ju 88…and the next thing I can remember was falling head first towards the harbour sans aircraft’. It was later found an AA shell caused a direct hit to the rear of the Spitfires cockpit.
I think this thread has just about wandered all over the place. Main topic was the telly programme. I think this was a reasonable attempt by Andy and was a hell of a lot better than some of the rubbish Channel 4 screened earlier. It was a pity that Whaley Heppell got so little attention. I understand the telly company could not make contact with his family. A great pity that. Anyway, well done Andy.
Good at it! Hell, I INVENTED it!!!!!
Excellent Dilip, Excellent, best laugh i’ve had for days.
Yes, its been a hoot! Dunno how I survived before without this forum, which is addictive – christ knows how I’ll get my next book written now!
By the way – do come and see us at Duxford this w/e – we have over 40 Spitfire pilots signing over both days, the majority of whom have never signed anything before. And yes, before anyone makes anything of it, that is an unashamed plug for Victory Books International and ‘Spitfire! Courage & Sacrifice’!!!
Cheers.
Me neither, you’ve certainly had some free publicity out of it. you’re good at PR i’ll give you that.
Hope this helps a little. Standing far right, McFie: next to him, Buck Casson.
Photo taken Schubin POW camp c 1942.
OK, OK, I give up. Clearly the use of these good, sound English words in the correct context is inappropropiate. Should I have said that Bader was “wasted”….oh….and it happened on 8/9…..or,for the benefit of those non American speakers amongst us, 9th August. Only in jest! Andy Saunders
Don’t worry too much Andy, I’ll watch it and i’m sure many more will and it will get a fair viewing. Best of luck with it.
Bit like closing the door after horse bolted that. Air superiority in the Dover Straight. And the English ChanneI for 24 hours? Thought the RAF had ‘won’ that in 1940?
If is a big word especially when used with hindsight a rose-tinted glasses. If the Luftwaffe could have decimated the Royal Navy in 1940, surely, by 1942, RAF Bomber Command was in a stronger position than the Luftwaffe had been in 1940. Why then, did it not decimate Scharnhorst, Gneiseau and Prinz Eugen in 1942? Same stretch of water?
Hi Jon,
Sounds great, a fantastic period of aviation. I’m sure you will do it proud. Even if you do make a hash of it, and i’m sure you won’t, it sounds a lot better than any of the remakes that have been proposed. More power to your elbow!!
Best Wishes.
Hi wessex boy….Kielkraft!!!!!!! They’re ancient! I cut my teeth on those, 1/72 F 86, hacking away with a razor blade, 2/7 halfpenny about 14P. Then the flying models, Spitfire and Hurricane. Fifty years ago at least.
Hi All,
Not as old as the others I suppose, but i’ve had these for twenty years almost.
I agree that standing pilot with leg up, could well be Cocky Dundas. Standing figure far left looks like Bader. Seated pilot, front right, has an American look especially tunic jacket.
Best Wishes.
On the topic of Gibson’s dog: was the name ‘NIGGER’ wiped from one of the UK TV showings circa 2,000? I’m sure I watched it once and the name ‘Trigger’ was used.
Best Wishes.
Re Comic Heroes
Yes, good old Matt Bradock appeared in the Rover in the 1950s and later. He was always making model aeroplanes, German aircraft, from cardboard. He flew bombers most of the time so he could hit back. Battler Britain: he used to feature in small comics under his own title, again 50s and 60s. I remember he put a German surface raider out of action with a string of molotove cocktails while flying a Walrus. I think he got in close because it was foggy!
Best Wishes.
Robert.
Re Picture Help
Thats 19 Squadron in 1940. 2nd left is Brian Lane C/O and then George Unwin.
Best Wishes.
Robert.