I have watched it and i have a limited knowledge on world war 1 as it is not my time of interest but for Joe Public it would have given those who watched it a better appreciation on what it was like.
Also it is FAR better than the recent docs like the Spitfire one and the travesty from a couple of years ago about how easy the dams raid was to do (baring in mind no one was shooting at you and you did it in the day!!!).
Also it was good to see new Historians instead of the normal History channel crew.
One tiny down side for me was banging on about how impossible the Avro 504 was to fly and skirting the fact it was the standard British trainer for about 10 years.
curlyboy
Some good points there curlyboy…..it may not have been 100% accurate but it was watchable…..not bad at all really and a lot better than some that have gone before.
Can you please make sure you let us know what you think of the docco!
Me??? I’ll probably forget its on, thats why I put it on here, so others might see it. I’ll try and remember.
‘ From days afterwards to present the entire raid has been almost shrouded in a sterotyped film hero action, this new book will help substantiate certain facts, but above all allows the reader to draw their own conclusions from a selection of new evidence that has for the main not been approached from this angle before.’
Precisely so Julian. For those in Britain there’s a half hour documentary repeat on the raid: this Wednesday Ch 5, 7-30 in Great Raids of WW2. I haven’t seen it before so, whether its sugar or ****e I have no idea.
Best Wishes.
Robert.
Denis:
That is wonderful that you village takes the time each year to remember these men & the mission ! BlueNoser352 offers a salute to all of you who continue to honor these men. Ok I guess here is the 64 thousand dollar question…………..I see the book I read is under some question..now I see this book about to be released seems in question. Is there a site or book written that tells what really happen here on this raid? I have collected bits and parts about the raid.. hopefully there is a website or book one can recommend ? They flew this mission for some reason & risked their lives in the process…. hopefully there is some place where we can read the total truth about the mission.
Thanks Forum members!
BlueNoser352
I don’t think there is any question over these men or the raid itself. I only pointed out the blurb on new book: right or wrong? I have no idea. One poster held the blurb up as fact, which it is not. That book, if ever it comes out is only a theory and nothing else.
Two other books: ‘The Gestapo Hunters’ Mark Lax & Leon Kane Maguire, and ‘The Gates Burst Open’ P. Livry Level both hard to get and may be expensive.
The Fishman book: read it as a book rather than a historical account. That was only my personal opinion of it, others may like it.
Is that the same Francis Blackadder that was (later, 1950’s?) a Captain with BOAC?
Hi Martin,
No not the same man. Francis Blackadder, this one, rejoined 607 Squadron in September 1946 staying with that squadron until retirement in December 1948. He had no further flying after that. He took command of the Northumberland Wing of the ATC and left that in February 1951. He then did some lecturing at Newcastle University: he died in 1997.
Photo from left 3rd Sgt Spyer, 4th Sgt Cunnington, 7th Blackadder, 8th Milne Irving, 10th P/O Young: Tangmere September 1940.
Best Wishes.
Robert.
A bit fuzzy….Hurricane P2874, AF-F flown by Francis Blackadder from June to December 1940. Most of Blackadders flights during the battle were carried out in this Hurricane. Unusual marking: ‘F’ repeated on fin in white. Statement on back of photo states that, patches around tail cover bullet holes from previous days patrol, August 15, 1940, when Luftflotte V attacked the North East.
Best Wishes.
Robert.
607 Squadron, Tangmere, September 1940. Jim Vick CO and Will Gore.
Best Wishes.
Robert.
Cheers Wellington,
I believe ‘Suzie’s owner was Squadron Leader John Sample, is that correct?
Another fine image, makes you wonder just how many there are out there tucked away in drawers gathering dust.
Gerry
Susie with an ‘S’, as written by John Sample. Mascot of 504 Squadron, Squadron Leader John Sample never had a dog.
Best Wishes.
Robert.
As far as I know Mannock only ever smoked a pipe
Latest from me..
Hawker Demon K3800, 607 Sqn, RAF Usworth, flown by John Sample in 1938.
Oil on board 3ft x 2ft. 3 days to complete (still wet!).This will probably be available for raffle at the Great North Fly In.
Very good Lindy…..heres the real thing.
Would recovery of insufficient remains lead to two crew members being interred in the same plot then? I ask because the Lanc crew a relative of mine was on all have separate graves, apart from the tail gunner and the pilot share the same plot.
Maybe a bit different: My mothers cousin, a Lancaster pilot, was killed with his crew and three French civilians: the aircraft crashed onto a farm house. All are buried in ‘collective’ graves numbering 1 to 10 but each has a headstone of their own.
Good arrows. 😀
They were selling the DVD of the whole series at the Battle of Britain Museum at Hawkinge last time I was there for about £8, if anyone’s in the area and wants to pick it up. Don’t think I’ve ever seen it elsewhere!
Amazon have it here
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Piece-Cake-Complete-Boyd-Gaines/dp/B002GDM2XC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1268740152&sr=1-1
My information was for one squadron only: 607. ORB etc was left in France. Information came from the various pilots above and some others: P3535 AF-C was well known on the squadron.
There could be a number of reasons why he was ‘wearing no parachute’
a) It was still in the plane on fire/damaged
b) It fell off him when he bailed out
c) It got caught up in plane and he preferred to end it quickly….I actually never took the statement
“Fidler was wearing no parachute and he fell into a field near Bachy” to mean he didn’t have a parachute in the aircraft.. Rather it was not used on bailout…
Paul, you are correct as always.
Why wasn’t George Fidler wearing a parachute; what was he sitting on?
I have no idea at all. This information was passed on to me from a French source and was handed down by an eyewitness. ‘He was found in a deep depression sans parachute’. Although he was CO of 607 Squadron his total experience on a Hurricane was three hours: he had been an armaments officer with 14 Group. He lasted less than three days.
It has been stated elsewhere that there may have been a clerical error on 607 Squadron re P3535 AF-C. This is totally wrong as no less than five 607 Squadron pilots are recorded as flying it: Will Gore, Francis Blackadder, Peter Parrott, Bobby Pumphrey and George Fidler. That is not to say P3533 was not on 607 Squadron only that no record of it has been found to date.