Dave,
P3535 AF-C was flown by George Marley Fidler when it was shot down on a patrol over Cambrai. Fidler was wearing no parachute and he fell into a field near Bachy, now a housing estate known as ‘Allee des Comtes’. Fidler was buried by locals and later removed to Bachy Communal Cemetery. P3535 fell into a field known as ‘Ferne Marchand’: Meadow of Wanhain-bachey.
No point in arguing: blond is fair I think. Go to the link
http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?id=105008;article=21074;search_term=klein
Attached is a photograph of Sgt Zygmunt Klein as recognized by Ken Wynn. ‘Men Of The Battle’. To me, this man is the same one from the group photograph, 2nd left. Hairline in both is receding and Klein was known to be fair haired: both have fair hair. Pilot with Spitfire, has a full head of hair not just windblown: you can also see his hairline through it and, his hair appears to be dark and I don’t think thats a result of the quality of the photograph. The ‘mystery man’? As you know from other discussions remains unknown and could be anyone. These things happen but its better not to tag an unknown pilot with a name that has some doubts..this photograph has more than a few doubts about it in its choice of name.
No idea who either of them are. However, the pilot, 2nd left in group, has a definite receding hair line evident below the peak of his hat. The lone pilot has a ‘bushy’ head. If this is the same man then he has discovered hair restorer as this photo seemingly was taken later then the group one.
Amazon has them, if this is it. Only 1p plus post.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=Hope+Has+Wings&x=16&y=17
Have you tried contacting Bill Norman via his web page? I have always found him reliable and helpful. Anyone can make mistakes I suppose.
http://www.billnorman.co.uk/
VERY nice – and unique.
I concur, refreshing.JJ
I agree with these two comments. Most on here are aviation fans therefore, just like to see a picture. To many artists they can be boring. In reality art is about expanding the horizons not sticking to the same formula. I’m not too keen on modern art myself but these are not really ‘Modern’. There’s some good stuff, artistically, in the Red Arrows section and whats wrong with the Lightning?
Best Wishes.
Robert.
Robert,
Thanks for the dates, saved me looking them up .
Just a point on markings. Some of the photographs I have seen of other squadrons show the red carried accross the tail rather than as a straight bar as on AF:U.
These are generally attributed to June-Aug 1940 i.e before 607 moved to Tangmere. Was this pretty standard as I do not think any of the few photographs that I have for that period for 607 squadron show the red across the fin
According to Robertson’s ‘Camouflage and Markings 1907-54’ After the fin stripes used in France, fin flashes were non-standard between June/ December 1940. After this they became standard 24” X 27”. It was fairly common on some squadrons to have both narrow ones and those across the fin: 607 Squadron had both. Blackadder’s Hurricane had the flash across the fin dated August 16, 1940 and later at Tangmere. AF-U, in the pic, has a non-standard, more narrow one. Some 607 Squadron Hurricanes carried the squadron crest on the white part of the fin flash, Blackadder’s carried the aircraft code letter: ‘F’ in white on the red part of the flash. All really non-standard.
Best Wishes.
Sorry to confuse, I mean date for the photograph if it is at Bicester
September 8, 1940 if going to Tangmere: C October 9, 1940 if coming back.
Best Wishes.
which would also give a confirmed date
Depends what date you’re looking for. Camouflage and markings alone date this photograph of a Hurricane to between June and October 1940. Pilots who also flew it date it to Battle of Britain period.
Whether L1884 was the same Hurricane as the ‘slip wing’ Hurricane is another matter entirely.
Best Wishes.
Hi Dave,
I think we have had this conversation before. The Huricane in the pic: I have blown this up and the letter can only be ‘L’ with first digit as ‘1’ second digit has a rounded bottom and can only be 5, 6,8 or 9. L 1584 was with various squadrons until it was shot down, July 14, 1940. L 1684 was converted to Mk11A in 1940 while L 1984 crashed January 29, 1940 which leaves L 1884.
This Hurricane, L 1884, was sent to Canada, March 1939 and numbered 321. It was returned mid 1940 to RAF and retained its original number L 1884. However, all photos I have seen show the Hillsen Hurricane numbered as 312 which I find strange. How come its number was changed while still in service with the RAF?
This Hurricane while with 607 Squadron was coded ‘U’ and flown by both Will Whitty and Dudley Craig during the Battle of Britain period. Sadly, both used the letter rather than the number so there is no concrete proof that L 1884 and AF-U are one and the same only gut feeling which makes it about 90%. No real evidence that the photo was taken at Tangmere either, unless someone can identify it. In September 1940, this aircraft stopped off at Bicester on its way to Tangmere, could be there. Last recorded flight with 607 Squadron was Dudley Craig, October 7, 1940, three days before 607 left Tangmere.
Best Wishes.
Robert.
So if the first edition paperback ‘Battle of Britain The Movie’ is up for 48 quid, what would my first edition hardback be worth signed by Robert Rudhall, Ron Goodwin, Mike Vickers, John Blake, Paul Day, Ken Wilkinson and Tony Pickering be worth?
Regards,
kev35
Not signed but theres an ex Library one here.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Battle-Britain-Film-Photo-Album/dp/0953853934/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1245680864&sr=1-1
Best Wishes.
Robert.
Publisher was none other than Dilip Sarkar’s Ramrod Publications and later Victory Publications. As has already been said, the books are high priced and a bit hard to get now.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Battle-Britain-Movie-Robert-Rudhall/dp/0955043158/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1245666422&sr=1-2
Best Wishes.
Robert.
In recognition of a few of the Few, especially those often overlooked and/or forgotton, during the period Dunkirk/ Battle of Britain. How about N3093 W-QJ: ‘The Virgin’ Spitfire of Denys Gillam of 616 Squadron. Most of the others represented in paintings and models etc have had a good airing: give the forgotten men a chance.
Best Wishes.
Robert.
Best Wishes.
Robert.