Czechoslovak MiG-21s in Pod nohama nebe movie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ujJzXq5lK4
and Su-25K (early the 1990s) and technicians in action
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43cbYAvEfAE
The L-159 is a true beauty.. Well, your new main fighter isnt a bad looker either 😀
Rumcajs, a coupple of pages back on this thread I saw a pic of a whole bunch of Czechoslovakian Spitfires (looks like Mk.V). When and how did you get them? And what did your pilots think of them compared to your Me-109 and La-5/7 fighters? Any info would be most appreciated!
These Spitfires are of the Czechoslovak 310., 312. and 313. squadrons in GB. There were of LF Mk.IXE variant and the squadrons got them (brand new) instantly before leaving GB, Czechoslovak government had to pay for them, it had to pay for everything, what Czech soldiers used for fight against nazis in GB. Well these spitfires were the best equipment (not take AVIAs S-92 and Jak-17 and 23 into account), what CSAF had up to 1948, when all spitfires were sold to Israel (one was damaged during testing before delivering to Israel and now it is in Military museum in Prague). Czech and Slovak pilots called Me-109G „Mezek“ and Avia S-199 as well, in Czech it means hinny, for its very bad characters (S-199 even worse), it says everything. Original Me-109 were even used only for training in air force academy or as Police aircrafts. La-5FN and La-7 were very good planes but all lavočkins were war veterans of 1. Czechoslovak mixed airborne division in USSR (Czechoslovakia didn´t pay anything, what Czech and Slovak soldiers used in USSR during war for fight for). So after war they already were in bad condition and construction made with wood suffered due to parking in the open. So all Lavočkins were put out very soon, later spitfires were sold, and the worst alternative – S-199 – became main Czechoslovak fighter up to 1952 up to S-102 comming… Spitfires were most favourite planes of Czechoslovak Air Force and Mosquitos as well instantly after WW2. BTW all Mosquitos were destroyed with axes in the middle of the 1950s (Czechoslovak government bought Mosquitos in 1946 and last were delivered even after communistic putsch).
There are few modernization programmes for the L-39. I think Israeli Elbit (L-39ZA-ART) and Ukrainians (L-39UPG) were involved.
there is no Israeli Elbit´s program, L-39ZA/ART is original Aero Vodochody´s L-39 variant for Thai Air Force request with components made by Elbit implemented in L-39 by Aero, inner Aero´s mark of the aircraft is L-39ZA/MP or L-39ZE
Does Czech Republic sell upgrade kits for these older versions? There should be a quite a market potential…
edit: And I agree with you that L-39 must be one of the most sucessful jet trainers ever built.
Czech government signed the agreement with Aero about technical support and modernisation works for Czech Air Force L-39 and L159 fleet 8.12. 2005 up to 2029 year. Technical life of CzAF L-39ZA and C will expired around 2015, if I am not wrong, and L159 succesor is planed by Association of Aviation Producers of the Czech Republic around 2020. So more twoseater L159 will be ordered to replace 10 L-39ZA and 7 L-39C but there isn´t some plan, if I know, for huge modernisation of CzAF´s L-39, just only some modifications. But Aero is offering modernisation sets for L-39, just you cannot buy new made planes of L-39/139/59 version.
I’m talking about an embedded simulation system, not ground based dome simulators and classroom trainers. L-159 has in-flight recording and post-flight debriefing capability, but no airborne simulation system. Only T-6B, PC-21, T-45C, Hawk 128, M-346, and the updated version of the MB-339CD have it so far.
tell me, what is “embedded airborne simulator system” in your opinion?
The 159 is good, but Hawk is a whole lot more. Don’t be too impressed by words like ‘Advanced’ (in ALCA). The Yak 130 is more equal to Hawk, but has 2 engines to make it so ! Alphajet was Hawk’s contemporary, and a good aircraft, but sold only half the Hawk numbers, and also uses 2 engines. The L159 is not really comparable to Hawk, in my view.
So, why Indians and South Africa air force have evaluated L-159B as the better and more suitable trainer than Hawk? Just they didn´t buy L-159B – the stories about that time Boeing´s “management” in Aero and ist “support” to L-159 sell are already legend here. Czech government and people in Aero have recognized very soon that Boeing only bought Aero to devastate and ruin a competitor on jet trainers market, that is why Boeing was made by government to leave Aero for one Czech krown. There are banned L159 selling by US officials causes as well, because there are US parts and equipment in L159.
Now under new owner Penta (it buy Aero at the and of the 2006) Aero is prospering company and time of serious effort to sell L-159 (not Boeing style “effort”) is still short to talk about “no L-159 was sold”, anyway 72 peices was sold to Czech Air Force, 6 will be for Bolivia and further will come… Anyway Saab has signed a joint working agreement with Aero establishing a mutual cooperation concerning marketing and sales of the L-159 Combat and Training System in May 2008. The agreement was also to identify manufacturing work packages between Saab and Aero. Both companies will also provide logistic assistance for Gripen and L159´s combat and training system.
BTW, how is L159 is good? Just L159B advanced trainer in version with radar has same capability as L159A, but a little bit better equipment, and several Czech pilots with L159A of 212. tactical squadron has shot down some F-16s, F-18s, Mirage 2000s, Gripens and Tornados during Nato training missions and exercises like Tactical Leadership Program, Brilliant Arrow, Clean Hunter etc…
I was under the impression the L159 is highly regarded as a jet trainer.
Aero L159A ALCA (Advanced Light Combat Aircraft). Czech Army has ordered only L159A version initially, the twoseater L159B was developed by Aero as the second and it´s private Aero´s project.
And: With just two twin-seaters ever built, plus four more single-seaters refurbished into twins, saying that it’s a good or what system is a little bit of a stretch! There are over 900 Hawks out there. Now, there you can say it’s “good”!
If you want to compare something, just LIFT and Hawk 200 with L159A/B/T1, if you want to talk something about over 900 Hawks, start to talk about almost 3 000 L-39/139/59 family planes… if you want to talk about only 6 twoseater L159s just answer, there is not the end of the project…