well, one of the most successful or the most successful aerobatic aicrafts are from Zlin Trenér family and we can mention Zlin Z-50LS/LA/LX/L/M as well
There is clearly a linguistic problem here. “In production” does not mean “If you order some we can build them”. It means that it is being built now. In this case, no L-159s have been built since 2003. Therefore it is not “in production”. What you are actually describing is a possible restarting of production, which is a very different thing.
You are arguing that because L-159 is not identical to the L-59, it is an unrelated development. That is not a valid argument. The commonality between the two types is much greater than between the F-18C & F-18E. Compare the airframes – they are mostly the same. The choice of designation is clearly deliberate, & reflects the derivation.
Negotiations are not contracts. There have been reports of negotiations about possible sales of L-159s to Kenya, Greece, the Philippines, Georgia, Indonesia, Poland, Hungary, Lithuania & Bolivia before now, none of which have resulted in a sale. Austria has been reported as interested several times, but it’s never turned into a sale.
Thanks for the breakdown of numbers, but I’d still like clarification on some points. Firstly, what is happening with the Spanish deal? And why does it take two single-seat L-159s to make one two-seat L-159?
That they are dismantling two single-seaters to make each two-seater is somewhat depressing for anyone who would like to see L-159s sold, as it shows that both the Czech military nor Aero Vodochody see an intact single-seater as worth a lot less than it is broken down for spares. That suggests very little confidence in future sales.
I can see only one, my English is very bad or you don´t want to understand… I did guest that my sentenses are intelligible, but it seems like not, I must admit and I know that my English is of poor level, so I don´t know whatever is for discussion, negotiation is negotiation not contract, ban is ban, L-59 construction and airframe limitation is limitation and absolutely different L159 limitation is absolutely diferent limitation from L-59, capability, manoeuvrability, maximal G overfreight, maximum weight of pods is clear quantity etc…
No, it is not in production. I suggest you ask Aero Vodochody how many new L-159s have been built since 2003. I think you will find the number is zero. Perhaps Aero would like to sell new ones, but I doubt very much if that is realistic after such a long halt in production. It’s not unknown for production to be restarted after such a gap, but it is very rare, & usually fraught with difficulties.
Not one L-159B has been sold, & only one prototype built (my mistake – that prototype was new-built, not a rebuilt L-159A). When one looks at the attempted sales since 2003 (Poland, Greece, Georgia, Indonesia, Bolivia), one finds that in every case, customers were offered some of the stored aircraft.
The L-159 is obviously derived from the L-59. Aero Vodochody itself has said so, & an examination of the two side by side shows the similarities. The wing & tail, for example, are almost identical. Compare these two views:
http://www.aero.cz/en/l-59-training-and-light-attack-aircraft.html
http://www.aero.cz/en/l-159-combat-and-training-system.html
The L-159 has a new engine & avionics, but the airframe is a modified L-59. Note that is not a criticism: I am not running down the L-159, as you seem to think, from the intensity of your reaction. I like it, & would like to see those stored aircraft put into use. I think it a great pity that the idea of a joint Czech/Austrian/Polish/etc training fleet using them, & maybe new-build aircraft, did not become reality, for example. But we must face facts: it’s a bit late now to dream of re-starting production.I never said they were Aero Vodochody’s property. The armed forces do want to sell them, & have been trying to for 5 years. The Czech Armed Forces website says so, & says the number to be sold was 47 (but that page has not been updated for a long time), & we know of several approaches to possible customers.
24 + 4 + 32 = 60. What happened to the other L-159s built for the Czech air force? One was lost, IIRC. That leaves 11 unaccounted for. Also, every report I’ve read says that the 4 trainer conversions came from the 24 operational L-159As. Is that incorrect? Can you provide support for what you say?
L159B is still in production, just if you order some L159B, Aero instantly starts to make that. Anyway Czech Air Force is planning replacement 7 L-39C and 12 L-39ZA with further twoseater L159 around 2011 and 2012 years, so furher twoseaters are sure and production as well. Production line of L159B and A is still in Aero Vodochody, so what about “the end”?. Todays very interesting news from MF Dnes (one of the most important newspaper) – negotiation with Canada about purchasing 9 two seater L159s for Canadien aerobatic team Snowbirds are started short time ago. And more minister of defence Barták will go to Jordan this Friday because king Abdalláh II. is interesting for about 20 L159 for Jordanian Air Force after his april visit in the Czechlands… And the visit of Austrian air force specialists to test L159 are planned for the start of the next year (maybe due to Pandurs IICZ contract?), so maybe numbers of stored L159As will be not enought. Again L159 has nothing to do with L-59, well if F-18A is the same or “similar” aircraft like F-18F according you opinion, well L-59 is the same like L159A. L159B is private Aero project and most modern, there are some differencies between L159A and L-159B, and L159B wasn´t developed for CzAF request, actually L159B is not only L159A two seater but better and more modern aircraft.
Is´t easy – 72 – 1 destroyed is 71. 71 – 24 used by Czech Air force is 47. 47 – 8 used for 4 Czech Air force L159T1 is 39 stored aircrafts. Spain will get 3 stored L159A and 2 Czech Air force L159T1. So 39 – 3 is 36 and Czech Air Force will get further 2 L159T1 rebuilted from 4 stored L159A. So the rest is 32. Every L159T1 for Czech Air Force is made from 2 stored L159A
I think you mean 47. 72 built, 24 (of which 4 have been rebuilt to twin-seat combat trainers) kept by the Czech Air Force, 47 in store & for sale – and I’m not sure about the other one.
again wrong. Czech Air Force uses 24 L159A and 4 L159T1 right now and 32 L159A are stored but still owned by Czech Air force and anytime can be used for combat missions, they are not Aero Vodochody´s property, Aero can only offer some rebuilding or modernisation if Czech Army want to sell these aircrafts….
You’ve missed the point. The L-159B is not in production, & never has been. It’s a rebuilt L-159A. To build a two-seat L-159, you have to start with one of the 47 stored single-seat L-159As, & do a major rebuilding job on it.
When you’ve rebuilt all 47, that’s it. There aren’t any more. The L-59 (the trainer of which the L-159A is a single-seat derivative) & L-159 are out of production. The L-59 is no longer on offer. The L-159 is only for sale because the Czech air force bought far more, for political reasons, than it had any use for, & is trying to sell the surplus.
I repeat: does the IAF want a rebuilt secondhand single-seat light fighter, of which it can only buy 47, as its next trainer?
you are absolutely wrong, L159B has nothing to do with L159T1, witch is primarily rebuilted L159A for CZECH AIR FORCE request. L159B is still in production and it´s in Aero Vodochody portfolio…. Just you can purchased brand new L159B advanced trainer with electronics, equipment and weapons with your request…
L-39MS (L-59) is absolutely different aircraft from L159A/B, ABSOLUTELY and has NOTHING TO DO WITH L-59, NOTHING…. Aero Vodochody offer L159A rebuilding to L159T1 as cheaper two seater in cooperation with Czech Army (and the L159T1 project will end with last Czech Air Force stored aircraft – now there are only 32 L159As for sale, not 47), but Aero don´t offer brand new L159T1, I repeat, Aero can offer two seater aircraft L159B, with is aircraft with batter capability than Czech Air force L159A right now, but you can ask L159B two seater or L159 one seater for example with a fountain if you want….
Well, the spanish air force still operates about 80 C-101´s, those L-159 are bought by EADS-CASA and supposedly the bolivian air force is interested in that planes.
well, USA banned another L159 contract (probably already the sixth) – Bolivia don´t buy any L159 because USA ban… and buy Chinese K-8… the mentioned five L159s (above) will come in Spain.
First flight of Czech pilot with jet engine aircraft: May 1945, Gloster Meteor, Josef Kruml (in July, the same pilot also got ride in Vampire)
My country AF’s first jet fighter 1946: Avia S-92 (Me-262)
Czechoslovakia was in fact, after Germany,UK,US,USSR the fifth country to fly jet aircraft… good old times:)
The second jet type of figter aircraft operated by Czech Air Force-1949:Yak-23
You forgot Jak-17, only one used by Czechoslovak air force before Jak-23 comming