PM To Frank Sent.

Just a matter of time.

Was that your creation Nick?

I am sad to say it was!

Isnt it funny to see Anza (named after a license produced Chinese QW SAM btw) suck upto China so much?

As if the Chinese care! Or as if they are going to donate a few Sukhois to PAF anytime! :p

when a person runs out of argument he or she resorts to personal abuse—this is all you have done thus far. Its shows your class and upbringing than anything about me.

Carry on —>

ROTFL

What I have done is punctured your claims

And pointed out that you must be doped to be so bizarre!

Even your fellow Pakistanis think you are a total nutter. 😮

That apart, you are of course, trolling.

So please dont act innocent. :rolleyes:

Waiting for Frank to show up and send troll beddy bye bye to sweet dream land where he/she can sing along tales of big Sukhois and small F-16’s..

“Sung by Anza:

Oh China how I love thee
You didnt betray meeeeee
Like the Amerrikkiiiiiiiiiiiiii

China please save my AF’s butt
Otherwise with F-16s it wont make the cut
The dastardly Americans
They didnt allow us nuclear bums

(Chorus)

Oh China how I love thee
You didnt betray meeeeee
Like the Amerrikkiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Your Sukhois are the best
Whether it is east or west
They aint mine, but let me puff up my chest

(Chorus)
Oh China how I love thee
You didnt betray meeeeee
Like the Amerrikkiiiiiiiiiiiiii

:p:p:p

Nick check your PM’s

😮 😮 😮 😮

One word: Awesome!

But why were the hrs a problem? No big deal right? :confused:

With the high rate of engine failure of the indian sukhoi mkis please donot insult the m2k by mentioning it in the same breadth.

And what do you know of the M2Ks..why is it the fantasy you have for the PAF? :p

Indians willnot be able to keep a lid on this for ever as the matter has been raised in indian parliament many times now, indian defence minister for reasons of security ( more like out of shame ) has not given an answer to this in the open debating chamber thus far.

LOL, and the Indian Defense minister sat you on your lap and showed you the ways of the world, eh?

Your paranoid conspiracy theories and frenzied babbling are waaay too amusing. 😮

[QUOTE=Anza_02]well read below and make your own conclusions:

NEW DELHI, MAY 19 (PTI)

Licensed production of multi-role Sukhoi-30MKI fighters in the country is running into huge costs overruns and some of them in the latest batch are flying without some advanced critical airborne systems.

To add to this, the indigenous manufacture of the Russian frontline fighters is working out to more than the cost of imports, according to the latest report of the Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) placed in Parliament today.

Three critical airborne systems of the fighters– electronic warfare system, reconissance system and direction finding modular radar have not not been integrated with the latest batch of aircraft delivered by the Russians under the November 1996 contract, the report said.

“There has been sharp slippage in delivery schedules and the fighters delivered had custmization only partly “, the CAG has pointed out.

Rapping the Government for huge cost esclation risks in the project, the CAG said the total cost of 140 aircraft projected by the Ministry in 2000 was Rs 22,122.78 crores at the 2000 price level, while a detailed project report prepared by HAL in july 2005, the amount shown was Rs 39,224.9 crores, almost a hundred price rise.

“Even this is open ended as the 2.5 per cent cost esclation agreed to by India is applicable only till 2007”, the report said.

Oh my the troll tries to pass off some more nonsense

First the report is dated- why? Because CAG reports from the last fiscal year and so their reports are usually 1-1.5 years out of date!

Lets take a look at those particular items shall we?

” electronic warfare system,”

This has been inducted, see the ELta 8222 SPJ on new Sukhoi MK3s and older ones as well

“reconissance system “

The Litening has been integrated already, see Kalams flight pictures for a Sukhoi with a Litening and IFR pod, he even used the Litening for A2G designation

“direction finding modular radar”

Thats the HADF, already displayed a year back- at Aeroindia and which SUPPLEMENTS the RWR for SEAD

Its also been certified- there is a CEMILAC/DRDO board mentioning it

———-

In short dont blabber what you dont know about, but then that hasnt stopped you on this thread! :rolleyes:

only the indians can manage to goof up a perfectly working system that is the sukhoi—-by the way china which also bought the sukhois around the same time have around 150 already flying sukhois ( as oppose to 30 or so indian ) and are producing under license for their navy. As an indian it might hurt your ego to accept the fact that indian input into the sukhois lowers the standard of renouned stellar flying machine—IAF is coming around to accepting this fact and the sukhoi makers want to protect their reputation by getting the indian government to once and for all cut out the HAL or reduce its input to negligible—-since the sukhoi people donot want sukhois dropping out of the sky like dead cats or shall i say indian migs.

Blah blah blah

If you werent such an imbecile you would realise that the three systems are UNIQUE TO IAF SUKhois-

litening.
HADF
ELta jammers

There were no other Sukhois with any of the above :rolleyes:
Lastly, the Sukhoi MKI program is a constant work in progress with constant improvements in blocks- something which you cant understand, and then yack around like you discovered anything big :rolleyes:

The Indian content in the MKI will also increase as the program picks up pace

Wake us all Up from a long and refreshing sleep when you come up with ONE major component for the JF-17 designed by Pakistan apart from green paint :rolleyes:

As far as your carp about paf goes—my friend despite all my lamentations against the americans i have never suggested pakistan make the f16s at home or attempt to duplicate it. Pakistan has brought matured technologies from america,france,china etc, jf17 is being perfected in china too —-pakistanis donot suffer from the indian disease of “i can make it at home for nothing”

Another way of saying Pakistan is incapable of making anything on its own so it just imports, begs, borrows, asks for aid..

But even after freebies and charity…

But even then you are whinging on the forum

Btw bye bye troll!

All most all the points you made have alot of validity. Btw though i have lamented american behaviour towards pakistan on the new f16s—niether in this thread or the one before did i ever say pakistan should not induct mlu f16s. Pakistan should get as many mlu f16s as possible since the aircraft opposing PAFs mlu f16s would be the indian mig21 upgraded for the next 10-15 years—-there is no doubt that f16s are far superior to them. (sukhois -india only has about 30–few decent ones built by russians and the rest third rate stuff put together by the indians – i doubt the indian assembled sukhois are any better than the russian upgraded migs.)

Gee, I doubt the Pakistani assembled JF-17s will be more than donkey-carts flown by flying piggies with magic wands. That made as much sense as your comment, perhaps even more so.

If the average Pakistani planner in the AF is as “logical” as you, and filled with such ridiculous bombast, given your comments which are singularly devoid of intelligence, then Pakistan has a lot of problems on its hands. :rolleyes:

Have I mentioned your name anywhere?? Please Point to it if you see it somewhere!!!
I was reffering to SOME INFORMED members , clearly you have taken a lead and started considering yourself as THE INFORMED MEMBER !!! My rationale on equating the su-30 or 35 to the -17 was on the basis of another thread where an INFORMED MEMBER clearly showed us how they are equal 😉

Its all about Members bring it on, in terms of “My member is bigger than yours” kind of discussions which our informed members love to have.

Now I anticipate, informed member will re-register as informed member 11 and reply. 😉