Well throughout history Pakistan has been a vital ally to the Americans and the West; Pakistan took in most of the Afghan refugees, and had to absorb all of the problems they brought. At the same time Pakistan has done its share in the War on Terror – but what level of aid did Pakistan get for its troubles? I do not recal Egypt sending in 80K troops on a hostile border – but they got more aid from the U.S than Pakistan did,

Of course, that Pakistan also created the Taliban, assorted Islamist terror organizations and became infamous for its terror apparatus is nothing…
All big bad west & Americas fault..

So tell me, Pakistan has just gone through a massive unpreventable earthquake, it is surrounded by terrorists/militants on its West and an archrival looking to disable it on its East. All it asks is for some compensation for its troubles – and bang we have Western folks who probably never thought of anyone else attacking Pakistan. BTW, India is a growing economy and it is generating wealth; but their destitute population is growing – while Pakistan’s is decreasing.

LOL…so let us get this straight, the US is paying you to fix a problem for which you are responsible, but then again- the amount of money is a question…and of course, insert the mandatory stupid comment about India here…

If you haven’t noticed – ANZA is complaining – not a lot of Pakistanis are, and the Pakistani gov’t isn’t. At least differentiate between a forum jocky and a real government official – genius. BTW, maybe you should tell the Indian caucus to stop complaining about the F-16 deal if these aircraft will not make a difference; and maybe Israel should stop using its air force against terrorists – since one does not need them, apparently.

The Indian caucus will complain, primarily because Pakistan remains a state sponsor of terror, and its claims of fighting its own hydra headed monsters are far from creditable.

So the just as complicated Leclerc will help that situation how? :rolleyes:

And what makes you think that the Saudis care? After all, mundane matters like logistics pale before the cool factor…and there are always foreigners to maintain stuff.. :diablo:

I don’t understand pakistans frustrtation. US is the only country that would sell them any aircraft that they can afford. If you don’t want it, fill in with numbers instead of quality by buying chinese crap. Its not like anybody is forcing them to buy F-16’s, least of all US. Its pakistan that had been begging for the last 20 years for it.

Greed.

Merkava? Wicked, wicked! LOL

Fair point about the Khalid vs the AMX-30’s, but the Saudis are serious toy snobs…for them, something made in Pakistan may just not do…that too its not “western” enough…but then again who knows…

In return for the Khalids, Pak may again send over a couple of regiments ie Praetorian Guard to protect the Kingly butt from rebels, disaffected wahabbi brethren and assorted malcontents who are not enchanted by the glorious visage of the noble house of saud…

Plus theres always the talk on & off, of Pak offering a nuke shield to KSA, of transfers of North Korean taepodongs, now Ghauri Ballistic Missiles or similar units to the KSA etc etc…

So the payback could be Khalids, the “indigenous” Mushaks, a few ten thousand H&K MP5’s and some ammo & spares from POF Wah..

Glorious export “success” & demonstration of fraternal Sunni pan-Islamic brotherhood etc

About the E3s vs Ereiyes.. well the E3s are reputed to be in American control ie they have some level of US involvement all the time, to restrict their use..that could be a factor.

As we have seen in recent days, the Swedes seem to have given up on the long running charade of “will not sell weapons to those who might actually use it :p 😀 ” ( Erieyes to Pak, Bofors in the running in India ) so they might come with substantially lesser strings attached!

And at the end of the day, this is Saudi Arabia we are talking of…it just goes out and BUYS the most fashionable military equipment…;)

However despite all that its seems I am quite wrong.

Otomat ASM

YJ-83

So its quite possible that perhaps the missile was decoyed off target or the proximity fuse activated prematurely it exploded such that a fragment caused the damage concealed by the DC mat.

Daniel

Yup, like I noted previously, some Chinese designed products have had spotty records of warheads/ fusing not working..could have been a case here..who knows..

The existing Agni-I and II can cover current threats. The Agni-III, which has little in common with the previous versions, is an SLBM and only makes sense in that role, since it falls short of ICBM range. The RV was already tested from an underwater tube. However, theres still no sign of the ATV yet, so the urgency is slightly relaxed.

Why do you think Agni III is only a SLBM? It could be rail launched

Plus where do you get RV was tested from underwater tube?

TIA