but doesnt IAF want inedgenous production ? And if that is the case wont they also be able to make spares etc etc ??

Fair point, but additionally IAF is overreliant on Russia as it is..from the strat point of view…

India would be better served in using the MRCA deal to get technology from another western source…

I mean apart from this, theres the Bison, MKI, MiG’s, and the fifth gen project..

Bloody RAC Mig cant be trusted on spares thats the problem…:(

Check what’s happened to other ex-NATO F-16s sold to non-NATO countries. Dutch F-16s (same as the Belgian ones) sold to Chile had to have certain items of equipment removed before the USA would agree to the sale. The Dutch had bought them with restrictions on their use & re-sale, despite being a NATO member & one of the most trusted US allies, & Chile isn’t allowed some of the MLU (pre-block 52!) equipment.

Pakistan isn’t being singled out. These are standard US conditions for non-NATO, non-ANZUS countries.

Well I hope the PAF listens to Anza & vetos those inferior infidel F-16s made by the Great Satan (tm.)

I presume that there will be many cases of bubbly uncorked in IAF messes if the PAF ditches the F-16s & goes All- Chinese..

It is quite obvious that you arent aware of the advances in the J-17 and other programs and hence the humour. It has LCD tactical displays D A M M I T !!

My apologies..I am told that it also has a radar and RWR- that puts it right in F-22 territory! 🙂

what is the meaning of the “without DFRAM” ?

36 Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare Suites without Digital Radio Frequency Memory (DRFM); or AN/ALQ-184 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-131 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-187 Advanced Self-Protection Integrated Suites without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-178 Self-Protection Electronic Warfare Suites without DRFM;

Dude DRFM is basically memory which stores the instantaneous phase, amplitude etc information of a received RF wave & this is done in realtime, so the technique generator module in a jammer can then use this & come up with instantaneous countermeasures based on previously coded techniques- ie deception jamming etc.

Without DRFM, you have to basically set the jammer preflight with all the radar data on possible threats etc having been taken from ELINT/ESM etc.
So its less flexible and puts a limit on what you can do..

For instance, you may have coded a particular technique directed against a certain range of waveforms which you sniffed in peacetime or the previous raid..but then this time, the radar operator changes to a different frequency, scan pattern etc, and suddenly your jammer aint so effective anymore..

Remember fighters etc always have space constraints unlike ships and large platforms, they cant lug around an entire EW reprogramming crew to sit and reprogram whilst the plane whizzes around! 🙂

But with DRFM, you have a reasonable chance of having a “modified” realtime jamming technique being used, because your jammer just detected the wave (with its own Rx subsystem), extracted and stored the relevant info, and can now generate a countermeasure..

Now if you see the latest jammers used by grade A nations and their AF’s- DRFM is almost always around in their newer acquisitions…

India’s Israeli El 8222’s have DRFM
The new DRDO/ ELisra EW suite has DRFM

I think someone had posted on other DRDO projects on BR, they were also using DRFM..

US is using DRFM for all its projects..

Hope this helped..

Dear Member,

This does not make sense. Israel has a robust defense industry that produces their own bombs including guided one. They are operating in a non-electronic threat over Lebanon and they have a very cheap IR kit that turns any bomb into a guided one. The only weapons that the US is speeding up delivery of that Israel can not produce is the bunker buster deep pentration bomb the GBU-28. And they don’t need that 5000 lb monster for Lebanon.

Also, I watching the news reports on the land incursions into Lebanon by the IDF armored units. They are not being serious about these incursions. No serious numbers, etc.

I think another shoe is going to drop soon. And it won’t be Lebanon. Syria? Iran? Or both?

Jack E. Hammond

The higher end Israeli PGMs with GPS ability- which compare to JDAM type systems…eg SPICE etc are FAR more expensive than US ones…
That imo is most likely reason.

India doesnt has the budget to complete the Agni program. It was a long term investment and it wasnt present India can afford. Their GSLV failure clearly show where the level of India’s might of launching an object to space was still far.It indicated India’s rocket engine has a designing problem which has no reliability at all.Why did they test the Agni2 3-4 times and announcing it’s success?Because they have a political agenda to attract world vision instead of having a plan…..

China facing the same problem in 1980s and thanks to her intelligence services,saving time & money to making the bottleneck of technology was solved. That was just a begining,after a heavy investment of budget in 1990s & 2000s that bought a perfect DF31 ICBM & JL2SLBM.
The Agni3 was around China 1960s DF4 missle level,the agni wasnt a real ‘deterent’ if compared with China’s DF21 or DF31 missles. China has finished those already & switched to JL2 SLBM. And we completed the building of a 094 SSBN. So if this is a matchup with China, this is a miserable humilation,it showed the gap was huge……

Failure was normal,it is true every country including US,USSR.. but this agni flight was just a political ‘making waves’ instead of a real one.None of the country ever seen this is an ‘alarm’ if compared with North Korean’s Taepodong2. Because North Korea has a mature program to make it ‘real’,India’s Agni3 was just a part of her ‘political announcement’. It was happy too early to call it a success because the Agni3 poped up for 12000m. That wasnt special, German A4 missles did that in very early days already….
Without some ‘big country’ support, these missles rally cant go on,Pakistan & N Korea their own cant do present high success rate without foreign assitances.

Thank you for your nationalistic rant. Please do share what you are smoking with the rest of us, we can all have a go as well.

Sincerely!