Nick_76Akash SAM downs UAV in flight trial
Written on December 21, 2007 – 5:50 pm
The Akash Missile has successfully hit the bull’s eye for the fifth time in a row in the last ten days at test range in Balasore. The fifth and last trial successfully took place at 2.15 pm today at Chandipur- on- sea. The missile destroyed an Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV), which was flying simulating the air attack. The target vanished from the radar screen when the missile was guided precisely in close proximity and the warhead blast occurred, much to the delight of users present in the flight campaign. This is the grand finale of the ten days users campaign meticulously planned by the Indian Air Force.
Akash is a moblie, mulitiple target handling, medium range Air Defence missile developed under Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme (IGMDP). The missile system has been configured to be part of futuristic network centric operation, most of the operations having been made automated. The entire weapon system has gone through functional evaluation in Kolar near Bangalore followed by operation and mobility trials in Pokharan ranges. The ECCM (Elctronic Counter Counter Measure) evaluation was carried out at Gwalior by Air Force against various types of electronic target and counter measures. The final phase of user evaluation as part of user trials was done in Chandipur. ITR, Balasore provides world’s best instrumentation facilities. The flight was conducted under the leadership of Dr Panyam, Project Director. Dr Prahlada, who conceptualised Akash and now Chief Controller at DRDO HQ was present during campaign.
About 300 strong team was present for ten days campaign. Representatives from public sector BDL, BEL etc were also present.
Indian Air Force officials witnessed users trial. With the conclusion of Akash evaluation, the is now available for indigenous production in the country. The missile system is uniquly configured and customised for Indian Army and Air Force.
http://frontierindia.net/akash-sam-downs-uav-in-flight-trial/
Nick_76good news for Akash, now lets see how many orders are placed.
Akash SAM downs UAV in flight trial
Written on December 21, 2007 – 5:50 pm | by FIDSNS |The Akash Missile has successfully hit the bull’s eye for the fifth time in a row in the last ten days at test range in Balasore. The fifth and last trial successfully took place at 2.15 pm today at Chandipur- on- sea. The missile destroyed an Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV), which was flying simulating the air attack. The target vanished from the radar screen when the missile was guided precisely in close proximity and the warhead blast occurred, much to the delight of users present in the flight campaign. This is the grand finale of the ten days users campaign meticulously planned by the Indian Air Force.
Akash is a moblie, mulitiple target handling, medium range Air Defence missile developed under Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme (IGMDP). The missile system has been configured to be part of futuristic network centric operation, most of the operations having been made automated. The entire weapon system has gone through functional evaluation in Kolar near Bangalore followed by operation and mobility trials in Pokharan ranges. The ECCM (Electronic Counter Counter Measure) evaluation was carried out at Gwalior by Air Force against various types of electronic target and counter measures. The final phase of user evaluation as part of user trials was done in Chandipur. ITR, Balasore provides world’s best instrumentation facilities. The flight was conducted under the leadership of Dr Panyam, Project Director. Dr Prahlada, who conceptualised Akash and now Chief Controller at DRDO HQ was present during campaign.
About 300 strong team was present for ten days campaign. Representatives from public sector BDL, BEL etc were also present.
Indian Air Force officials witnessed users trial. With the conclusion of Akash evaluation, the is now available for indigenous production in the country. The missile system is uniquely configured and customised for Indian Army and Air Force.
Nick_76Indian government sits down with chinese and talk because 1. Cinese are not muslim 2. They are powerful enough to make Indians sit and talk.
there are many Muslims in China. but more importantly China is a more rational country which is not out to spread communism by force and does not think its land disputes are worth sponsoring terrorism over.
The two are not sponsoring (if I take your words on this) third party extremism because one side has not occupied the a piece of land against the will of its inhabitants (UN resolutions are there on this issue).
by the same standards, pak should stop sponsoring terror and even vacate all the parts of j&k it has illegally seized and even gifted away to china. the un resolutions were for a specific time and place. they are meaningless now given paks actions. which is why even the un is least bothered about intervening in the dispute.
Why dragging Pakistani janta (public) into this? How much say does the pakistani public has in the foreign policies of its governments, which are almost always non-democratic. If you are trying to make a point that Pakistani public has some personal grudges for India, you are wrong.
Pakistani janta has no Indian-fobia whatsover. However, there is a fobia on the other side that is fueled both by the indian government and the bollywood. How many Pakistani ‘desh bhagti’ movies have you seen where India is portrayed as an enemy?
junta not “janata”..and its phobia not fobia. anyways, the statements that the pak public is very law abiding etc need to taken with a big bag of salt, which you know to be true. terror groups like the jaish e miohammad etc all of which are on multiple nationans lists for terrorism, not indias alone, were openly feted and supported in pak before they became embarassing for musharraf. donation boxes for the kashmir and afghan jihads were ubiquitous in pak public spaces like restaurants etc. so lets not get too preachy.
if you want, i can post a hundred articles on how much love pak citizens really have for india written by pakistanis themselves. its a fact of life that pak was defined in terms of being anti-india and many pakistanis (not you perhaps) find almost everything about india, ranging from religion to its govt as loathful and heretical and against islamic beliefs.
movies? pakistans movie industry is much smaller than indias, so the comparison is pointless. even so, there are many movies with pak heros attacking and defeating indians, taking out salman rushdie, this that.
Would you please keep yourself to the topic appericiating Indian marvels in its missile programme and do not drag politics into it.
politics is deeply tied to an abm system. and i was just replying to sea lord lawrence.
if we lived in an ideal world, we wouldnt have any missile systems whatsoever.
even so, i dont wish to discuss pakistan or whatever, it was just a discussion between i and sea lord about what india is aiming for with this system and i still believe that this abm system is needed to make the pak military more amenable to discussion and not nuclear saber rattling.
Nick_76kinda doubt it, s-300s are not as easy to acquire since they werent so widespread in 3rd nations as the sa-3,6,8 were. eg after the egyptians turned to the us, many of the above were just available for inspection by the us.
even nellis, uses threat simulators for the s-300 series since the real systems arent available.
Nick_76another report confirming previous one.
Lets see how many akash iaf orders. even a few would be a boost for the local electronics and missile industry considering how many radars, missiles are there per full battery set.
Two Akash missiles hit single target
T.S. Subramanian
CHENNAI: In a demonstration of the maturity of the Indian technology in the surface-to-air missile (SAM) defence system, two Akash missiles were fired on Wednesday from a mobile launcher at a single target, and this “ripple event” turned out to be a success, according to officials of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).
The trial is part of a 10-day campaign involving the firing of several Akash missiles with radars, launchers and support systems in the presence of the eventual user, the Indian Air Force.
The two missiles were fired from a truck at the Integrated Test Range at Chandipur, near Balasore, Orissa.
Prahlada, Chief Controller, Research and Development, DRDO, said from Chandipur: “Today, the IAF wanted us to fire two missiles against a single target to increase the probability of the kill. This [event] shows the capability of the radar, the supporting systems and the launcher to guide more than one missile against the same target. So we demonstrated it. It is a big milestone in the Akash system.” The target was a body towed by a pilot-less target aircraft.
Mr. Prahlada said: “We have not only demonstrated the missiles’ flight but also shown the functioning of the integrated air defence system. This will give the user confidence in the maturity of the Indian technology in the SAM defence system. This is an opportunity to break away from the imported systems. The system will be customised and perfected as per the user’s feedback.”
Nick_76Still not even close to the 8000km range of a DF-31 or JL-2. Nonetheless an impressive first step.
with china, india has a stable equilibrium. both countries while they have disputes with each other do sit down and talk and neither is currently sponsoring third party extremists to hit within the other so war is not at all likely. and then both have deterrence viz each other with irbms etc. if china uses its icbms to bypass the abm india has the agnis to retaliate with. a conflict if it does break out, will be conventional imo, as both countries have the conventional means to have a slug fest.
besides, those df-31s and jl-2s are meant for deterrence against the us iirc. the coming decade may change things somewhat, but most accounts available china is going for a limited icbm pool to target the us, and india is facing the irbm threat for most part.
by 2010, the abm system is supposed to begin its next phase if things go according to plan. even so, china will have some delivery mechanism to bypass this or might surge irbms.
its pakistan, as we discussed which is the biggest issue at present.
its what an abm system with a non infinite pool of interceptors, is meant for.
with pakistan, even managing to remove its threat of n-warfare might make its junta behave more responsibly.
Nick_76This system can not intercept ICBM’s or missiles with a range greater than 2000km. Thus China can already penetrate it.
around 3000 km or even more if we go by what this current system is stated to be capable of, once operationalized. the current tests have got it to around 2000 km.
the 2000 km range represents what they could squeeze out of the special target missile based on the prithvi and whats its capable of. so they are saying that the 2 tests have already shown that a defence against missiles upto 2000 km is possible.
all in all, some 4 more tests of the pad and aad are planned over the next 3-4years. after that longer ranged missiles and radars will be fielded for the next phase of coverage to include icbms and the like.
while they are keeping mum about it, there is evidence to suggest that satellite based sensors might also be considered for longer warning time.
Nick_76Sounds like a pretty rational way forward and sensible way of using assets. I would however be very careful about usage of the word shield, it implies something inpenetrable, and nothing ever is.
well, i dont think shield means that its invulnerable. it just means that its a shield thats all..if you have a leather one, it might stop a flint arrowhead, if you have a wood one, it might stop that bronze axe, or if you have a metal one, it might withstand that sword and so on. theres always a game of one upmanship going on.
so the term is correct for its usage. its meant to provide a defence against what the opponent can field, to the best of its abilities.
Having said that this is a very impressive project and I would be interested to see the planned coverage for it and the organisational and deployment program. Is India planning a fully integrated Samozdherts type system
i dont know how integrated the samozdherts type system will be and what all elements it will comprise of, so i cant make a one to one comparison.
however, i can point out what the indian system has- and what it will encompass in the near and long term if we go by whats printed.
current
currently, it is a full fledged system directed against missiles upto the range of 2000 km, to begin with. that is, the current two tests have validated this. the next combined test will complete that validation. some reports suggest that the current system has the ability to stop missiles with a range of upto 3000 km, once the tests are done.
as of now, it has two missiles + dedicated tels, comms links, launch control centers, mission control centers, and two special aesa radars, one for long range tracking, and the other for medium range tracking and fire control.
cruise missile defence
this will be coupled with the 3 phalcon awacs (rumint is that upto 3-5 more may be purchased) plus the 3 local awacs (again, a couple more if it works out) for cruise missile defence. plus there are 11 israeli aerostats originally planned (more could be ordered for dedicated cruise missile defence now that this plan has popped up), plus the umpteen low level, medium level radars of local and imported/locally lic produced origin.
next step
after this, the clear aim seems to be to develop and field hypersonic missiles and even longer range radars, to interdict even faster targets. the radars for instance will have to detect and track targets of the order of 7 Km/s and more.
now the above is not the only defence project in terms of sams india has: there is the akash, there is a new tri service missile program to replace the trishul, then there is a new indo-israeli venture to develop a mid range sam to fit in between the akash and aad (> akash range) for the IAF. theres also the purchase of the 18 spyders.
all these will be integrated into the abm/ anti cruise missile system, for sure. because at the end of the day, an iaf commander sitting somewhere needs to have a complete picture of whats going on.
the data will feed into both a strategic system and the iaf’s integrated air command and control system and the armys air defence set up.
other assets linked to the air force, include electronic warfare assets, both airborne and ground based.
so while the system by itself is not going to be a one stop shop for everything, it will be complemented by a wide array of assets.
Nick_76its mostly older russian gear which spadeadam has. sa-3,6,8 only exception being the skyguard radars. surprising stuff, since i thought a fighter like the gripen should be more worried about todays threats like s-3xx and the threats above would have been already met and taken care of!
Nick_76F-16 will never fly in IAF colours. No matter what the politicos try.
never say never again. 😉
lockmart and boeing are masters at selling fighters.
djcross is right, it would be very hard to react to an “offer that cant be refused”.
Nick_76ray is right about the reaction, it seems both sides in indradhanush walked away with a spring in their steps. at least, i knew the iaf guys did. if the ef document above is more than feel good, then even the raf guys said ” that went ok” like the iaf guys..
but thats what makes me so curious about redflag, what is the iaf planning that they are now no longer so worried about showing off the bars at the most heavily monitored bit of airspace in the world?
this makes me think that a mlu has been decided and the iaf is not so worried anymore?! or will they restrict the bars like they did in indhradhanush-1 to specific submodes etc and play with a hand, only half revealed.
Nick_76Nick was referring to a video prior to the one he posted in #544.
no, no..i meant the 544 one. if we see the gif i posted earlier, it has the radar traces of the debris as mentioned in various articles. however the video, just shows the ballistic arcs intersecting and continuing. so either it was just the plain jane gui calculations allowed for public viewing, or the video is so low res that we cant see all the other traces. normally the debris details would show the radar resolution for low rcs objects, so perhaps they didnt want to give away too many details.
Nick_76the AAD above is also going to be part of a cruise missile intercept program.
http://www.ibnlive.com/news/india-discovers-methods-to-face-pakistans-missile-wars/54298-3.html
the end result is that the pad+aad shield is intended to handle both ballistic missiles, cruise missiles as well as aircraft. the last two threats will be handled by aads.
the video in the story above shows how aerostat radars, and awacs will play the early warning role for detecting the cruise missile threat.
the aad is also going to be the basis of an all new tactical missile for land strike called the ashwin.
the aad missile is turning out to be an all-in-one solution for a variety of indias defence needs. it will not only be the long range anti aircraft and cruise missile protection, but the 2nd tier for irbms, and the basis of a tactical missile which will replace the current liquid fuelled prithvi.
Nick_7610 Mbish sanitized video of the AAD test…eg it doesnt seem to show the target debris like the more detailed MCC image from earlier. though that could just be low resolution of the video
Nick_76yup, mirvs could do the trick. 100 interceptors after all.
Pics of the indian endo-atmospheric interceptor.
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