The HUD above is the Elbit SU-967 variants of which are on the Su-30 MKI and Jaguar upgrade
The MFD should be the MFD-66 from Thales

The MiG-27 upgrade also includes an Indian jammer, with noise, barrage and deception jamming (it has DRFM)

There are two parts to the jammer, an internal jammer is good enough for low bands, high bands are covered by an external pod …basically internal + podded.

LOL, wilhelm, it looks like you know how to deal with the Indian MOD!!

Jokes apart, I think Denel got caught out by some phenom bad luck…investigative journalism in South Africa blew the claims open..till then, Denel had two sweet deals in its hands..

The T6 turret on the Arjun chassis as the Bhim SPH
Setting up a massive ordnance factory in Bihar state in India

Plus several others were being negotiated…apart from small arms, MPVs and other stuff…

Joey, think of the procurement costs and timelines as well- considering just how pathetically slow this whole process is, the IAF would be lucky if it does’nt whittle down to 29 squadrons- even that, with an average of 18 aircraft per squadron is 522 aircraft with at least another 50-60 in reserve. considering that there wont be any more follow on Su-30MKI purchases, and the 126 MRCA, that takes care of 230+126= 356 jets- if the Tejas is ordered in substantial numbers (like the 200 originally thought of), that would pretty much take numbers to 556 jets-and allow for 29 squadrons- and with the 5th generation fighter deliveries starting in 2016 (assuming), at a rate of 14 per year like the MKI, thats another 126 5th gen fighters by 2025.
that would not be near the ideal IAF strength of 49 squadrons, but better than the current dwindling numbers.

I too would love to see an IAF specific MCA but be practical- does the GoI have the funds to procure the MRCA, 5th generation fighter as well as the Tejas and the MCA ? I’d be happy if some headway was made on the MCA, but considering just how bad the GoI can make the situation for the IAF, I’m willing to settle for lesser than ideal.

u didnt factor in all the jags, mig27s, 29s and m2ks…:confused:

Well said swerve…

Also don’t forget that there are movements between India, Brazil and South Africa to forge a closer working relationship as premier emerging market world states and to co-operate more closely on defence technology matters so as to develop their defence industries and not be beholden to any particular “camp” once it comes down to sovereign decisions.

Well I sure hope so mate. The decision to blacklist denel and then promptly call a halt to codevelopment with south africa was one of the usual bolt the gate after the horse bolted kind of stupid decisions, Indian MOD is famous for.

Theres a lot India and south africa could work together for, armour, arty and PGMs- Ingwe and Mokhopa look formidable systems, and the LRAAM, A Darter and Umkhonto would be good additions to Indias services.

My bet would be F-16 or Super Hornet if the politicians have the final say, if the politics still make sense by the time the selection is made.

If the Air Force had had the final word they’d already have had more M2Ks by now, but would seem likely to go Gripen if constrained by through life costs, and MiG-35 if upfront price is the big issue.

Typhoon would be a great choice for India, but without modular avionics and a more open architecture I can’t see EF GmbH being able to provide the degree of scope for local content that India requires. Integrating an Indian radalt, radio, and a new display here and there just isn’t that easy.

Unless final assembly and some local manufacture (including new LRUs that are identical in form/fit/function to address obsolescence issues) give India enough to satisfy their industrial aspirations.

And I wouldn’t put money on that happening. Nor on EF GmbH saying “No problem” confidently and convincingly and sorting it if they win, which may be some other people’s strategy…. 😉

Which is perhaps a shame, as no other contender promises to be able to deal with massive fleets of Chinese Su-30s quite so effectively……

What % of TOT will EF GmbH be ready to provide India, even if they cant incorporate local Mission computers, RWRs, jammers, etc?

Also will tech for the Captor, source codes for weapons integration be possible to provide?

I think the biggest problems for the EF are the TOT and price bit. But these can be compensated for, if India buys fewer planes (100 vs 126) and gives up on offsets (for the 90% TOT) angle.

Is this feasible?

In fact no one is able to say this or that fighter is definitely the better one. There are to many relevant factors which are unknown. No one knows about the exact sensor performances, their CM resistance etc.. One might assume theTyphoon is superior BVR due to TRD, longer radar range and probably superior supersonic performance, but there’re to many unknown factors which make it impossible to give a really accurate statement.

In fact even the BVR thing is doubtful. The Rafales approach is to combine reduced RCS with a radar with LPI characteristics. So its much ballyhooed reduced radar range may be quite sufficient when evaluated in totality, it may detect the opponent first.

IMPI

PM me your email and I will send you Senguptas article which Isby has relied upon and been caught on the wrong foot. It uses the same text, and same claims and given its Sengupta…bye bye hopes of this being true. 🙁

This also proves that the 120km ramjet LRAAM is not BS dreamt up by Sengupta, but a real project.

You really dont know Sengupta do you? :p
Its entirely possible that he read the original Janes report linked by you, with the image, and promptly copy pasted India in it as a done deal and made up the range, and some salacious claims.

And if that’s true, there’s no reason why the rest of the story isn’t true as well, especially as it’s unlikely that Jane’s would permit itself to get duped that easily. There’s more substance to this story than you’re willing to admit.

Ha!! Janes reports on India are pathetic. Beyond pathetic in fact. Its local correspondents, Rahul Bedi is so pathetic that I wouldnt wipe my @ss with his reports, coz I’d get a rash. 🙁

And David Isby – isnt he a new addition to Janes and a guy who used to run a yahoo armstrade group? If so, and he is the same guy, he used to rely mostly on collating news reports from across the world, and make sense of them.
And Senguptas work is carried on Lexis Nexis, and FBIS and all the usual wires. Its easy to get conned by that POS, unless you know he is a POS.