Nick_76I think, if the MKI had supercruise, we would have heard about it by now. Its not like the Russian side has been exactly shy of showing off its capabilities since they need export sales, whether TVC or talking about its radar or avionics. And the Indian side is open with its information as well.
Theres nothing out there to really suggest that the MKI can supercruise. Or more likely, I dont know about it if something does exist. 😮
Nick_76Oh RAF probably scored a couple of Su-30 kills for all we know…or didnt. Vishnu Soms first hand interview with the RAF & other reports quite clearly state that while the MKI vs Tornado matchup was clearly unfair to the latter acc. to the RAF coz of Tornados vintage, the Mirages, MiGs etc had no easy time against E3 vectored Tornados. As Air Commodore Julian told Vishnu Som: “an ambush is an ambush”.
But thats not the point.. Its that Yasser claimed that the RAF said that the IAF was bad etc & he was in touch with some 43 Sq Pilot who said so , which as we have discovered in the past with this guys claims, smells remarkably of BS given how he twists what is said into something remarkably the opposite. So if he claims to be speaking for a pilot, let him prove it and salvage whatever little credibility he has left.
He has had no problem in the past lying through his teeth (6-8 Chinese AWACs ordered, OMG!) whenever on the losing side of a debate, so this is but due precaution when dealing with the Yasser effect.
And of course, how can we forget Tornados vs IAF Su-30s at France. Even the French kept quiet! 😉 :p
Nick_76If you mean old fibs dished out as new ones, then it would certainly seem so. Yasser sure seems to have had enough practise in telling tall tales….but only getting caught out at them, each time around.
Nick_76ROTFLMAO!!!!
If true, that ranks as another bit of proof about one of the greatest fibs told on this forum.
Yasser also claimed that Tornado F3s fought IAF Su30’s in France at Istres, as we all know, the IAF was known to have DACT’ed only with French Mirages in Exercise Garuda-II..
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Images/Special/Garuda/GarudaII.html
Still waiting for proof on that as well to come forth. 😉
Nick_76Done. I keep forgetting. 😮
Nick_76Harry, did RAF Tornados ever fight Su-30s in France? We will have the answer then. 😉
Nick_76This what Yasser posted on pakdef on 5th Oct
Wonderful!! Now lets have the name and actual contact particulars so that we can get all the other stuff Yasser was so kind as to snip out, which we can determine by contacting the pilot. If he even exists. :p
I am beginning to think this is going to be another JF-17 with AMRAAMs and eight Chinese AWACs sure to be purchased kind of story.
Nick_76And Please. We know that you just read AFM’s report, found out it was 43 sqn, and then decided to fabricate a **** and bull story of you knowing an RAF pilot and him telling you xyz. I’ve never seen a threat of “hearsay” before!
If real RAF pilots have something to say or have said so in person or directly, we’ll listen.
Yeah- let Yasser put up his so called source and give access to you & the moderators say to determine the exact statements, not the selectively snipped bits and pieces of what he prefers & which are errmm not gentle towards his wetdreams of retaking Kashmir by war.
This even assuming that he didnt fabricate the entire claims to begin with- which given his record, is all too plausible.
Eight Chinese AWACs, when even Usman Shabbir says a couple “may” be purchased). Sheesh, talk about straightening out habitual dishonesty.
Nick_76ha ha
if i were to post every forum comment by people who are pilots describing the IAF, this would turn into the longest thread on the forum. Lets stick to fact and people who can comment on the record. If you would like me to post comments on how good so and so air force air and how crap so and so air force is, it would be my pleasure.
Mind you, we could also look at number of planes shot down in combat or we can look at anonymous forum postings! Whaddya reckon Nick!?
Poor sallondon/yasser/ Greenday1, starts a thread on F-16.net to brag about PAFs best F-16 pilots in the world, and gets his hat handed to him to chew upon. And now all he can do is rage about it! :rolleyes:
Silly braggadacio never works sal, but you never learn do you! :confused: 😮
As regards opinions of a certain 43 Squad pilot etc, we are aware of what you write and what you omit! Thats the key isnt it, to misrepresent someone else and then try and twist the actual statements to polish up your claims.
If you have the gonads, put up his name and email addy on the forum so people can hear from him in his own words, not the BS you attribute to him and claim for him- since you have zilch credibility. You are better off finding those eight Chinese AWACs and JF-17s with AMRAAMs for the PAF that you were bragging about. 😀
On the other hand, we have people on that thread posted by Broncho posting under their own name and others talking of the PAF and serviceability ( we have to rely on these , since the PAF is sancrosanct, and wont its release its own data) so perhaps we should debate that, eh? Your own standards applied to you chum..
Nick_76Nick,oh my dear Nick.
You are so right, how I yearn for thos PAF servicability reports! 😉
IOW, you have none. :p
The Pakistani military keep these classified, so they may be worse or better the the IAFs. Thats a very valid point, however, last time I checked the totle of this thread it was “IAF News and discussion”, nay!?
IOW, the Pakistani military does not have any accountability to its people or citizens who pay for it, to release any sort of details whatsoever. I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy you routinely engage in, as is obvious.. :p
It may suprise you to learn I have no hatred of your nation or people.
Facts are facts though.
Lets not joke around Yasser, your feelings for your hated “enemy” are well known. As is the fact that all you can do about it, is wage war on the internet. 😀
Nick_76Thanks for the information harry.
Nick, since Bis has been serving with IAF since late 70s/early 80s and 21-93 upgrade package was developed years ago, one assumes that full maintenance facilities should have been in place by now???
Vikas, until the likes of Greenday stop their trolling, I doubt whether we can have a sane conversation. Anyways, coming to your question:
The Bison is basically a very thorough reworking of the Bis. The aircraft get fully overhauled, receive new electricals and power supply equipment (for the new avionics), other legacy systems – mechanical, got replaced. Apart from that the entire avionics fit gets reworked-
– New radar, integrated with a new nav-attack system, with a new stores management unit
– New weapons interface units for all the umpteen missiles- R-77, R-73, KAB-250/500
-New RWR, IFF, EW jammers
– Mission planning units integrated with onboard avionics
– New HUD, MFD, cockpit instrumentation, HMCS
All the above is integrated via software on a 1553 databus.
etc etc.
As you can imagine, nothing of this sort has been integrated before on the Bis. India was the launch customer so the OEMs will gradually increase serviceability, whether Indian or Russian or French.
Second, we have to distinguish between the type of serviceability- flight serviceability, and combat serviceability are different. The IAF wants the latter, since the Bisons are not being replaced with sims to a large extent, so sortie rates will have to remain at the 20 per pilot/ month figure, which demands that all items have requisite MTBF.
Its been a couple of years now, and as the IAF notes, a 50-60% figure is not bad given the scale of the program. You have all the Bis being converted into Bisons by the end of the year, thats 120 aircraft.
All air forces go through this transitory phase when inducting a new type. Unless of course you buy an already established type which has had all its kinks worked out.
Even then, the serviceability figures gradually increase, since local maintenance facilities and spares stocks take time to build up.
Nick_76sallondon, werent you sad enough to start the F-16 thread which then got something else rise up entirely? Sheesh some people never learn! Still upto your usual tricks! :rolleyes:
O you can just bury your head in the sand, in which case, the only victor , I am afraid to say, will be my nations Air Force.
Thats the whole thing aint it! This urge to somehow prove superiority, in the meantime you cant even provide a single report on the PAF and serviceability!
Because even commenting on the Pak armed forces can get you into trouble!
Military sacrosanct, says Durrani
KARACHI: Minister for Information and Broadcasting Muhammad Ali Durrani on Sunday said the government would not allow any criticism on the armed forces of Pakistan, as the institutions responsible for the country’s defence are beyond any criticism.
In a threatening tone, the minister made it clear that the government would not tolerate any criticism on the solidarity of Pakistan and the institutions responsible for defending the country’s geographical boundaries. “According to the Constitution any criticism on the solidarity of Pakistan and its armed forces is not allowed,” he said while speaking at an Iftar-dinner hosted by him here.
Talk about hypocrisy.
Nick_76Anyone been to this forum. Looks like the american instructors have a very poor opinion of the PAF pilots. It does seem to confirm the lack of enthusiasm PAF has shown in any recent conflict (Kargil or shooting down of atlantique).
Quite revealing- the posts by Steve_Davies in particular. Talk about the law of unintended consequences, the genius who opened the thread seems to have got some answers which he would have preffered he didnt. :rolleyes:
Nick_76MiG-29s- Indian AF, most definitely. But its premature to say that the RMAF will be selling off their 29 N’s.
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