I know nothing about costs here.

What are we looking to get the C3 for to be able to get 15 past the bean counters.

What did the

type 45 cost per ship
type 23
type 22

what are we looking at for a c1 and c2?

While I am completely in favour of many of the ideas put forward there has to be some realism in all this. Public finances are going to be a disater over the next ten years in the Uk (Bloodbath I think was the term used) No government is going to shut schools and hospitals (thankfully) so chances are the RN is going to take a hit. If we want C3 to happen then it needs to be simple, flexible and above all cheap, otherwise it will never happen. When designing “a C3” you need to think more like an accountant and go for cheap options that can be adapted latter.

It will never have a 76 or 57 mm gun, the RN is having trouble enough dropping the 4.5 in favour of 155mm, the treasury will never pay for a whole ‘new’ main gun calibre. It is likely to be a smaller weapon 20mm or 30mm oerlikon.

Will it have organic air? Unlikely, even a telescopic hanger may seem extravagant. A landing platform certainly, but minimal facilities.

Will it carry CAMMS, may have a small space for the future is lucky, but it is unlikely, if C3 is operating in an air threat environment it would be foolhardy to leave it to look after itself anyway.

The final version is much more likely to be a version of HMS Clyde with some adaptable space for MCM equipment etc. It may incorporate some Venator ideas, it must be remembered that Venator is a concept model, not an actual ship.

I know your right, but its completely stupid. We spend 90 billion a year on the NHS paying for fat gits to have bands around their swollen guts/ or another miriad of problems.

The US would rather it added another trillion to the national debt then lessen its national defence. They just spend another 3 billion on C-17s and 400 million buying parts for another 12 F-22.

our government is borrowing 600 billion because it wasted our oil money in the good years – Please just borrow an extra 10 and get our surface fleet sorted. – rant over.

EDIT – Oh and stop depressing me, im in my own little world when i draw those things, in that world these designs wind up being real and we build 20 of them, 14 C2’s and 12 C1’s – The 3CVF are nuclear powered and have emals and F-35c/ hawk eye.s The 12 Type 45 we built are fitted with everything and not “fitted for but not with”

EDIT – you think I could just go be a yank and be happy with a well funded 300+ ship navy?

What about at least 20mm for the RWS instead of .50cal? Should at least have more fire power than a 14.5mm it might encounter on a go-fast pirate boat. And make it three, for 360 deg coverage.

That helo deck needs to be around 20 meters long to operate anything manned from it. And same length for the hangar. Makes 40 meter for the aviation complex. And try to find volume below the helo deck for the RIBs.

Heretical suggestion: What about going back to 57mm instead of 3″? Might enable the bridge to move a little forward. And find space for NetFires containers or something of that kind where you draw the RIB?

I would also look into a podded propulsor or a shrouded screw like AWJ-21 instead of a conventional arrangement. What about pure Diesel, no GTs?

Terribly sorry, seems i misread a label on shipbucket. The guns i have mounted are in fact Oerlikon 20mm’s

I did think about using a 57 bofor on the front but I like the 76mm, Ill have a look at it though. Need to find out some dynamics of the guns and their footspace.

I will also have a check of the measurements regarding the flight deck. Thanks for your imput.

edit

Here we go sorry the back look on image is shocking but its an idea.

Had another stab at it what do you think Grim901.

Also Jonsey thanks for that, interesting notes about length – 110 seems to be right.

I think it would be fairly expensive. It certainly would be more expensive and complex than they want C3 to be. It won’t happen and I don’t really want it to. If a C3 needs CAMM then somewhere along the way, someone has cocked up and sent either the wrong ship or sent it too far from the fleet.

Thats a fair point. just a 76mm and a helicopter then?

I cant imagine that intergrating an Sylver 35 would be that expensive and add that much to the price of a C3. 8 Cells that are quad packed with CAMM would be fantastic.

A 76mm OTO on the front and room for a lynx and off we go.

Really would like to see 15 or so of these produced. When the next Labour government comes in after conservatives you can bet the first thing they will do is begin selling off the fleet again.

This is a shipbucket drawing of the LCS for comparisons. And at the bottom is my initials thoughts on what a C3 should be equiped with/look like.