As someone said on PPRuNe:
“Ahh, FMICW – F*ck Me, It Can’t Work….”
“Typhoon’s only funded a2g capability means it will enter UK service inferior to every other UK strike jet including the 40 year old Jaguar.”
Hardly. Litening III and up to six PWII/EPW II represents a better A-G capability than any other UK attack (strike means nuclear when discussing RAF platforms) aircraft, all of which rely on TIALD for LGB designation.
And that’s only the interim, austere A-G capability. FCP (EOC as was) has still to be signed (but will happen within a year), but I suspect that we’ll see Storm Shadow, Taurus, Brimstone, a fourth generation LDP, and a full GPS PGM capability as well as conformals in Tranche 2, though TVC and new engines will certainly not happen until T3 (if ever). The jury’s out as to when an AESA will arrive.
The Saudi order for 72 jets may well ease some funding difficulties, I think, but FCP will happen anyway.
From a UK perspective, Typhoon does a number of things that JSF never will, and promises to be cheaper to acquire and support than JSF.
Moreover, while timescales may slip, Typhoon is somewhat further down the development curve than JSF, with most of its risk and cost escalation behind it.
The UK won’t get a Squadron JSF until 2017. We’ll have taken the 232nd Tranche 3 jet by then. Typhoon will have a robust A-G capability from 2007-2008.
It will be swing role right then. JSF won’t even be in service.
As to advanced radars, CAESAR is already flying, albeit in a BAC 1-11. A Typhoon is likely to fly with E-Scan Captor before a JSF flies with full up radar
The Typhoon is operational in the A-A role NOW. The JSF has yet to fly, let alone fire a BVR weapon.
Typhoon is a genuine multi role aircraft, while JSF is a tactical fighter with a robust but secondary A-A capability.
Typhoon will carry Meteor before the UK even receives JSF. Integration of Meteor on JSF is not funded or planned and is MOST unlikely to happen.
CAESAR is likely to be fitted to Typhoon before the UK receives JSF.
While JSF is an all-aspect stealth aircraft, frontal RCS figures are likely to be closer than you imply.
Typhoon will have, or is likely to have:
1) Faster acceleration
2) Supercruise
3) Longer reach
4) Greater combat persistance (more missiles)
5) Possibly longer radar range (with CAESAR)
6) Better DVI (significant in complex multi vs multi engagements)
If the UK were to standardise on one type, Typhoon would be a better option than JSF.
Ron
In your dreams.
Buffalo?
Light drizzle?
Blenheim II would be more appropriate……
Bomber with some niche fighter capabilities, appeared very advanced before it entered service, tiny internal weapons bay, and a heap of cr@p…..
I’m astonished that the non-platform related elements of the bid didn’t clinch it for Raytheon, but it looks like Singapore will get one of the two best aircraft now.
Or $104 m unit programme cost, as it is now.
A USAF press release versus Defense News.
I wouldn’t trust either as being definitively accurate.
But engineering work of this depth, with a fix that would restore the full 8,000 hr life, will cost way more than $1 m per jet.
MM2000,
Keep your chin up, mate. The situation sounds about as bad as it could be, but we can only hope that things improve soon. I’m sure that all UK-based aircraft enthusiasts would want to join with me in sending you our good wishes.
I wasn’t going to bother answering your question, but I was so touched by your story, that I will do.
There are three main factors determining how many maintenance man hours (MMH) are required for every hour that an aircraft flies (FH). This ratio is expressed as MMH/FH. Those factors are complexity, age/usage and design.
1) Complexity
Maintenance requirements are usually directly proportional to the complexity of an aircraft – thus a simple single-engined trainer will usually require fewer maintenance man hours per flying hour than a twin-engined fighter with radar, IRST, missile systems, etc.
2) Age
However, more modern aircraft are designed for cost effectiveness, with low maintenance requirements, while ageing aircraft often bring their own maintenance problems and demands, with the need for frequent inspection of fatigue prone areas, age related problems in various systems, etc. Hard worked aircraft (eg those that operate in a carrier environment, or from forward airstrips) often require much more maintenance that those that do not.
Design
The old Soviet Union had plentiful manpower, so that heavy maintenance requirements in terms of MMH/FH were less important than ensuring that aircraft were maintainable with minimal equipment. The Russians also tried to ensure that aircraft required relatively minimal attention before and after flight, while accepting that these aircraft would require more frequent major overhauls. As others have suggested, the difference in maintenance concepts between the USSR and the West was eroded with the advent of aircraft like the MiG-29 and Su-27.
The Gripen, by contrast, was designed from the outset to require minimal maintenance, with rapid turnarounds by small teams of conscripts. This translates into plentiful access panels, as many systems accessible without ladders and specialist equipment, and as many systems as possible being replaceable on the flight line.
One of the worst aircraft, in terms of MMH/FH, is the F-14, which required 72 hours of maintenance for every flying hour, while the Gripen is (according to independently audited figures) one of the best, requiring less than 8 MMH/FH. The MiG-29 lies somewhere between the two, though different operators had very different experiences with the aircraft.
“Defense News reported Monday that it will cost about $1 billion to fix the flawed boom frames.”
$1 Bn/91 jets = $10.99 m per aircraft
I wonder what other titanium components haven’t been properly heat-treated?
If you look back, VERY similar criticisms were made of the F/A-22, and similar reservations were expressed.
Had the F-22 been delayed until development was properly complete, many expensive technical problems would have been avoided. Perhaps even the current titanium bulkhead fiasco, which looks set to require a $10 m rebuild per jet for more than 100 aircraft.
Holding off on full production might well result in a slight increase in unit cost – but could avoid complete catastrophe!
The best modern support helicopter in its class. Selected for use by the US President, and the best solution for CSAR-X. So they’d be embarrassed why, exactly?
And they are roundels…..
Kovy,
Where’s the Jag shot from, and when was it taken? Is there still a French Jag flying?