And Aggressor F-16s, Luftwaffe Typhoons…..
I’ll answer the easy ones!
Blocks are not associated to PSCs or SRPs. Blocks represent a production standard. New PSCs and SRPs may be introduced with a new Block, but will then be loaded across all aircraft within the same Tranche.
The software Drops began as a UK-only upgrade for Tranche 1 aircraft, because development ended with the closure of the Main Development Contract – marked by the successful delivery of the FOC standard (SRP 4.3). Drop 1 was UK only. Drop 2 takes account of German requirements and allows access to German-‘owned’ parts of the aircraft, including the Attack Computer. Drop 3 brings Spain on board. Some of the content of the drops is being incorporated in Tranche 2 jets via P1EA and P1EB.
Germany has gone from SRP 4.1 to SRP 4.3. SRP 4.2 was the UK only austere air to ground standard (now incorporated in SRP 4.3 software, but still only used by the UK).
Sometimes RoE will make it inevitable that Raptor will face enemies WVR.
Sometimes ‘leakers’ will get through.
And F-22A is not invulnerable in such circumstances.
On Day Two of RF-A, for example, two Raptors were ‘killed’ by Aggressors (I don’t know what the Aggressors were simulating that day – but probably Su-30).
I don’t know that that’s true, Scorpion. They may have retained IRIS-T rounds and an ACMI pod. All that Grühne said was that they took the tanks off.
The Aéronavale have lost another one…..
“The Navy announced that a Rafale Squadron 12F crashed at sea off the Spanish coast during a air combat exercise with an F-18 Hornet aircraft carrier USS Eisenhower. The Rafale pilot ejected at 14:03 Paris time. Recovered by an American helicopter, he was transferred aboard the aircraft carrier “Charles de Gaulle”. According to the Navy, an investigation was initiated to determine “the causes and circumstances” of this accident.
This accident is the fourth loss of a Rafale M. In September 2009, two devices (M22 and M25) had collided in midair in the Gulf of Lion, causing the death of Commander Francis Duflot. November 28, 2010, a third aircraft (M28) crashed at sea off the coast of Pakistan following a management problem in the fuel system during a refueling. The pilot was then able to eject.”
Update (16:54): The Rafale in question is M24. The pilot joined the Charles de Gaulle after a brief stint on the USS Eisenhower. His condition is satisfactory. The Navy remains uncertain whether technical or human causes are responsible for the accident.
Tornado probably won’t be gone by 2020, though it will be a much reduced force by then.
There are no CURRENT plans for SDB or SPEAR Capability 3 (‘SPEAR’) on Typhoon. That could change, and indeed you might expect that by the time they get around to integrating Brimstone/SPEAR Capability 2, that weapon might seem a little old-hat compared to SPEAR Capability 3.
Unfortunately and confusingly SPEAR is the overall acronym for a range of precision weapons, but has also been adopted as the name of the MBDA submission to meet the SPEAR Capability 3 requirement.
Perhaps when we mean that MBDA weapon we should refer to it as the MBDA ‘SPEAR’®?
Electronic attack is an interesting one. If the UK Typhoon is going to gain a real EA capability, then we could see a divergence in AESA plans, since the chosen ‘Quadrinational’ solution may be less well suited to EA than a Bright Adder TDP based AESA.
Restore (which includes Strongbow) lies outside the scope of the Drops, which affect Tranche 1 only.
Quel barbe!
You seeelly Eeengleesh!
Eet proves zat Rafale is ze premier Elint haeroplane, because ze Spectra, she is made by ze Thales, and so is zis sooopairb seeestem, n’est ce que pas, mon petit?
Drops go out to Drop 5.
They are the means by which additional functionalities and capabilities are being added to Tranche 1 aircraft, in advance of the FOC standard (SRP 4.3) after which the Main Development Contract ended, and which was once expected to be the final standard for Tranche 1 jets.
Drop 1 is in service (UK only).
The final iteration of Drop 2 is now flying on service aircraft and will soon be in service (UK and Germany).
Drop 3 is flying on IPAs. Spain is coming on board.
Drop 4 is being defined.
Drop 5 is some way off yet.
Chunks of the Drops have been incorporated in P1E, while elements from Tranche 2 have been rolled into the Drops.
The Drops are separate to Restore (which includes Strongbow).
Cannon and SRAAMs are the most relevant weapons for QRA/Air Policing, and Eurofighter’s sheer performance (especially in time-to-height) makes it better suited to Austria’s requirements than L-159 or Hawk.
RoE? Leakers?
Firstly, Kovy, I don’t think that highlighting two quotes* from Colonel Pfeiffer could fairly be classed as ’emphasizing this story.’
I don’t feel much need to be critical, as the Luftwaffe blokes were very generous in talking about Raptor’s advantages and strengths, and did not make outlandish or exaggerated claims. They simply reported what had happened.
And to be strictly accurate I did not downplay “Rafale success at ATLC.” I simply corrected and commented on what was inaccurate propaganda.
*”When you get to the merge, the Typhoon doesn’t have to fear the F-22.’
and
*”In the dogfight the Eurofighter is at least as capable as the F-22 with advantages in some aspects.”
This is a Typhoon news thread, and the fact that Typhoon did better against F-22 than anyone else has up to now is Typhoon news, and while the Rafale fans might not like to hear that Typhoon achieved something that Rafale did not, I’m afraid that that’s life.
You’re going to like it even less when JG74’s successes against Rafale are highlighted, I suspect.
TMor,
It sounds as though JG74 did significantly better against the Raptor on Distant Frontier than EC7 did at ATLC.
That may down to be the pilots, of course, as JG74 are a highly experienced and very capable bunch of air-to-air operators.
Nicholas10,
A journo is likely to be more balanced and even-handed than a company representative, whether from Dassault or from EF GmbH or one of the EPCs.
In any case, we’re reporting Colonel Andreas Pfeiffer, the CO of JG74, not a journo, nor an EF rep, and what he said was backed up by Lt Colonel Marc Gruene and Major Marco Gumbrecht, among others.
Some of the German pilots had interesting things to say about Rafale, too.
No, I’d be a tease if I posted:
“In the dogfight the Eurofighter is at least as capable as the F-22 with advantages in some aspects.” (Pfeiffer)
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Combat-Aircraft-Magazine/140704179286241
The Eurofighters flew in Distant Frontier exercise before Red Flag began. According to wing commander Oberst Andreas Pfeiffer, they also flew two days of BFM with the Elmendorf Raptors. He said; ‘when you get to the merge, the Typhoon doesn’t have to fear the F-22.’