If I was American: I’d tell the customer he’s being given the chance to demonstrate his willingness to sign up as part of the coalition of the willing. That he’s either with us or against us. I’d pressure him to sign up now, but wouldn’t give him a price, and wouldn’t tell him exactly what he’d get, capability wise.
If I was French I’d be much too good to talk to a customer, I’d alienate past customers (who really loved what I sold them last time) with my arrogance and inflexibility, I’d fail to make modest investments in the jet that would give it what export customers want, and if I was lucky I’d end up selling a handful of jets to regimes that were so unsavoury that no-one else would.
If I was Swedish, I’d offer insanely good offsets and industrial participation, and I’d make sure that my customer could use whatever weapons he might want to. I’d make brutally honest comments about the opposition, then I’d be surprised when many customers decided that while I had a winning airplane, I had no political clout.
If I was Russian, I’d make outlandish claims about super new versions of aircraft, using new kit and new black boxes with impressive specs on paper, then I’d tart up a few long-in-the-tooth unsold airframes and hope the customer didn’t notice.
If I was a Brit, I’d make sure that I timed my campaign for when my own MoD’s commitment to what I was selling looked shaky. I’d try my utmost to impress the pants off the evaluation team with the airplane, but not quite get the paper bid right, omitting key information that the customer wanted, and delaying the whole process. If the customer were a long-standing UK customer, where UK links might help, I’d quickly give campaign leadership to the Germans…..
Competition for the T-50 as a trainer?
Beyond that already offered by M346, Hawk, etc.?
:rolleyes:
I may have missed KAI’s relentless progress to the top of the trainer pile, but how many T-50s have they sold to export customers?
The RAF RC-135s will NOT be probed.
Satorian,
I wouldn’t quote Flightglobal and call it official, either.
But if a particular poster on PPRuNe (who I know to be an Av Week staffer) said something, I’d take it more seriously than I’d take some stories in (say) JDW.
And like everyone, I’m allowed to post while sozzled…..
Whitfc,
Litening 3 will have a better airframe mask (the present mask is ‘conservative’ imposing greater-than-necessary constraints on pod sensor movement) and will be capable of multi-target engagement in a single pass.
There are still some integrations that may be brought forward to be coincident with P1E.
But you should wait until you read that somewhere else before believing it, obviously….. :rolleyes:
“Jacko said something like that. But I haven’t seen something official.”
Jacko said it because he’d been at the same Farnborough Press Breakfast as the journo who wrote the FlightGlobal piece, and had enjoyed much the same conversations with Ays Rauen and Brian Phillipson.
He posted on it within a couple of days of it being revealed.
If Jacko says something, he’s giving you pukka gen – often before he and others have written it for the magazines and websites you quote.
Jacko is pi$$ed at being disbelieved “until someone more credible” confirms what he says.
Scorps,
The point is that a T1 to T2 upgrade is so cheap that no-one viewed funding the Austrian upgrade as being a problem – even using EF GmbH’s own money. The cost is trivial.
My understanding is that the plan is for all jets (T1 and T2) to exploit the capabilities of P1E. How they’ll achieve that remains to be seen.
It’s a crude but effective way of preventing spanwise migration of the boundary layer. It was employed on the DH Venom and the HP Victor, incidentally, and I’m sure folk will post more examples of Western types with fences…..
At the moment (and until P1E) the Tranche 1 jets are the most capable Typhoons. PIRATE, CP193, etc.
When P1E comes in, it will be available to Tranche 1.
Tranche 1 jets may have some limitations in that it won’t be economically viable to install AESA (no structural provision for the array – could be retrofitted, but ……). But installing the new processors is EASY (they were prepared to do it for the Austrian T1 jets without any adjustment to the contract price) and even with the existing hardware, the P1E software and functionality can be hosted.
The idea that T1 jets are somehow old and ‘less capable’ (like an A-model F-16 or a JAS 39A) is not really accurate.
As to Oman, T1 would seem well suited to their requirements – but this is at such an early stage that it will more likely be T2 or T3.
More challenging than -117 was?
More challenging than the F-22?
Yes, of course F-35 is challenging, but with F-22 as a ‘pathfinder’ and without the problems of being developed in the Black world, it shouldn’t be all that challenging. It was intended to be affordable and easy, after all.
I’m not at all sure that the programme is going well – the extent of the gathering delays and cost increases would lead me to conclude otherwise at the moment, and the concurrency of development activity with early production worries me to death, though I’m sure that it will all come right when enough money is thrown at it.
That’s an interesting question.
The V and the W are now effectively identical, since the big difference was the engine struts (the Vs were former Cs – and in one case a U) the Ws mostly former Ms.
The only remaining difference, IIRC, is the source of the AAR receptacle. I can’t be bothered to check which the KC-135Rs have.
I s’pose they should really be RC-135Ys……
Actually, I think that it reflects unrealistic expectations on the JSF front, whose costs have escalated, and whose programme has been subject to major delays.
If this happens, Helix is dead.
These will be three new RC-135Vs, converted from knackered KC-135Rs (why else would an AAR receive capable KC-135R be available?) to the latest USAF standard. They won’t have Helix. They won’t have extra Elint ops to give them an R1 level of capability. They will be RJs 18, 19 and 20. No more, no less. I remain to be convinced that they’ll give us anything like the autonomous national capability that we’ve been used to, and I fear for the loss of sovereignty in Sigint collection.
Make no mistake, this acquisition is driven entirely by cost and is pretty bad news.
In an ideal world, a dedicated new-build A320 might mark a good solution – albeit an expensive one.
What’s needed is an A310 or an A300 (with freight doors to facillitate equipment installation) with Helix.
Second hand would be absolutely fine.
Failing that, the three MRA4 development aircraft could be modded with the current R1 kit.
But because of the carriers, we’ll have to make do with a third rate solution.
Real world DACT will teach us a great deal about how EF Typhoon and the rest stack up against each other. Simulations like SILVE and JOUST will continue to provide a useful indicator of how they will stack up against other threats – ‘Flankers’ given parity in radar, or even superiority.
I have spoken about it (or more accurately have been told about it) by folk from Dassault, Gripen International, Boeing, and Eurofighter GmbH, and by a number of air forces who have used it.
I don’t know where you’d find it online, if at all.