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  • in reply to: Distiller's demand – UK get out of JSF! #2545979
    Jackonicko
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    That’s taking a VERY narrow view.

    GWB is the notional head of the administration, so the buck stops with him. Before and after 2006 the White House has failed to use its influence (or even to attempt to use that influence) to make changes to ITAR that would be favourable to Britain.

    And it must be recognised that Clinton and the Democrats were and have always been in favour of the USA meeting its obligations on JSF. (A waiver was promised in 2000).

    While all of the key bodies and key personalities involved in denying an ITAR waiver happen to have been Republicans.

    Apart from GWB and Don Rumsfeld (both of whom have been unco-operative and hostile to an ITAR waiver) you have, for example:

    Henry Hyde (Rep, IL), the Chairman of its Committee on International Relations since 2001.

    Duncan Hunter (Rep, CA), the Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee.

    AND AS I SAID BEFORE:

    In any case, it’s not important who is responsible for it, what’s important is that there is no more than mealy mouthed platitudes in the way of evidence to support the belief that technology transfer and operational sovereignty have been sorted out satisfactorily.

    in reply to: Distiller's demand – UK get out of JSF! #2546010
    Jackonicko
    Participant

    Which element of the phrase ‘GWB Administration’ do you not understand?

    I admit to being a Bush ‘pity-er’ (he’s too sad an imbecile to really hate) but I wasn’t attributing this to him personally, but to the administration of which he is the notional figurehead.

    In any case, it’s not important who is responsible for it, what’s important is that there is no more than mealy mouthed platitudes in the way of evidence to support the belief that technology transfer and operational sovereignty have been sorted out satisfactorily.

    in reply to: Distiller's demand – UK get out of JSF! #2546075
    Jackonicko
    Participant

    What the UK needs, and was promised when we signed up for JSF (under Clinton) was “a waiver from the ITAR to ensure access to the software codes and other data that (we) will need to maintain and upgrade (our) JSFs” and to integrate our own weapons and kit without requiring US/LM input.

    What we have is a highly classified document, which has not been made public. This, we are told, details the assurances that we have been given by the US government. This deals with the issue of operational sovereignty but it is by no means clear whether it’s any more than a face-saving compromise (many believe that we’ll merely have fast tracked access to US facilities for support, maintenance and upgrade, rather than the AUTONOMOUS capabilities that our military thinks that it needs).

    If we’d been given what we actually wanted, people would be co.ck a hoop about it, and we’d know about it. This feels like a fig leaf to cover another shafting by the GWB administration.

    in reply to: Heavy Jet Transports #2546695
    Jackonicko
    Participant

    The C-17 costs more up front, sure.

    But you need to consider operating costs, direct and indirect, through life support costs, and the value of the capability you are getting.

    How many hours does the Il-76 last?

    How often is your Il-76 going to be sitting on the ground being fixed, or waiting for parts so that it can be fixed?

    Which can operate best from a tightly packed ramp, requiring real manoeuvrability on the ground?

    Which can be loaded/unloaded most quickly, by the smallest number of people, and with the least need for third party off-board equipment?

    I think that the C-17 is the most ‘superior’ aircraft out there – with the biggest gap between it and its nearest competitor. Never mind the F-22, the C-17 epitomises US aeronautical superiority, to me. It’s the finest heavy transport aircraft ever built, and its only serious flaw is its lack of affordability.

    in reply to: Defence funding to 3% of GDP #2547277
    Jackonicko
    Participant

    Hurrah!

    Unerringly to the point, Mr Swerve.

    Percentage of GDP is no more than a useful indicator (if that), and if huge chunks of your budget are disappearing in RAB charges, procurement ****-ups, and useless but high prestige big ticket programmes, you might well be better off with a smaller sum spent more wisely, and with less smoke and mirrors from the accountants.

    Figures are too easy to fiddle. Mr Brown tells us that the Forces have enjoyed the longest period of sustained growth (in real terms) in their budget since the 1980s. He may well be telling the truth – but it matters not if force structure has to be cut back in the process of making the defence books balance.

    If we pay millions more through the life of a programme because it’s a misbegotten PFI or PPP, then that’s bad for the MoD, even if the Treasury loves the arrangement because it minimises up-front capital spending.

    All that really matters is force structure, as Swerve infers. Set what force structure you need, and then pay for it. The questions to ask are about:
    How many FJ Squadrons do we need, and how many are there?
    How many support helicopters?
    How many hoses in the sky can the tanker force provide?
    How many frigates and destroyers?

    And that leads me to the other concern I have with their lordships campaign. It’s dominated by the dark blue and the Army, and I worry that this magical 3% GDP that they want will go primarily on Navy and Army priorities – Carriers, FRES, etc. and not on the air power assets that are most useful, most often in post Cold War operations.

    And I’m increasingly convinced that what we need are Cold War levels of spending (we spent 4.4% of GDP in 1984), or close to them.

    It’s a fallacy to think that our Cold War conventional forces were in any way sufficient to fight and win the Cold War – they were there to buy a little time for negotiation, or until the whole thing escalated to nuclear.

    Once the Cold War was over, the lids came off various bubbling saucepans (the Cold War super powers had kept their clients, like Iraq and Yugoslavia, in order), and the world became a more dangerous, more unstable, and less predictable place, and we needed more conventional power – not less – more deployable FJs, more SH, more AT, more tankers, more frigates, more air mobile troops. etc.

    We could have saved a little money by opting for a cheaper deterrent and by getting rid of the heavy armour, but overall, the switch to the light, flexible, agile and deployable forces we needed would have probably cost a little more than the Cold War forces we had.

    But the politicians presented a simplistic and wrong picture of “big expensive wartime forces” for the Cold War, and promised that the end of the Cold War would bring a peace dividend, and the electorates bought it.

    And they’re still buying it.

    Because reducing waste, social security payments to immigrants and asylum seekers, and all the other panaceas will not free up enough money to address the MoD’s funding shortfall.

    If you want adequate spending on the forces, then be prepared to pony up a few more pence in the pound on your income tax. Nothing else will cut it.

    And that’s why the Tories will be just as bad for the Forces as Tone and Gordon have been – if not worse. They won’t do anything that entails asking the electorate to pay higher taxes.

    in reply to: No safety on UK nuclear warheads #1791580
    Jackonicko
    Participant

    Les,

    Didn’t the first B(I)8 weapon lack PAL (too old, too early) and the second have it?

    Arthur,

    The RAFG Canberras used US weapons – unlike the MEAF and FEAF aircraft.

    I believe that there were nuke facilities at Bruggen, Geilenkirchen, Laarbruch and Wildenrath – and maybe at Alhorn and Wahn and Gutersloh too…..

    in reply to: Tornado ADV and IDS, success or bust? #2549159
    Jackonicko
    Participant

    The F3 was never an F-15 or an F-16, but it’s consistently underrated, and performed far better in exercises than most spotters realise.

    The SA provided by one of the earliest and best JTIDs integrations, and the well-sorted, well-trained two man crew arrangements meant that the F3 OFTEN gave the pilots of more agile fighters a nasty shock.

    And you should remember that with the wing forward the F3 turned pretty well, while few fighters accelerated as quickly as an F3 at low level, nor reached such high speeds.

    It marked a massive improvement over the F-4, which isn’t bad.

    in reply to: 25 May 82 – Phantom shot down Jaguar with AIM9 #2549168
    Jackonicko
    Participant

    The Jag force mates I spoke to about the incident thought that Roy Lawrence and Alistair Inverarity were harshly dealt with. I think that speaks volumes.

    in reply to: No safety on UK nuclear warheads #1791640
    Jackonicko
    Participant

    “Have a think of why nukes deployed to Germany would need PALs in the first place.”

    Um, err. Only the US weapons had them. Because they were US weapons that were built with them, genius! WE177s in Germany didn’t have PALs and didn’t need them.

    You say that PALS are “a last line of defence totally independent of anyone who may have physical access to the weapon.”

    People who actually know about nukes suggest that such a last line of defence is necessary only if your procedures are slipshod and slack (or perhaps if you’re doling out your nukes to less-than-reliable allies). An RAF aircraft would NEVER have been accidentally loaded with live nukes, an RAF pilot would never have failed to notice the coloured bands on the weapon that indicate exactly what it had, warhead wise, and he and his aircraft would never have been released to the runway with weapons aboard without proper authorisation, and would have been physically stopped without that authorisation.

    WE177 already had multiple safeguards (belts and braces) – they didn’t need a frayed bit of string as well.

    Indeed, proper procedures and safeguards are BETTER than PALs, which have problems all of their own.

    Nor was the lack of a PAL on WE177 a “dirty little secret”, certainly since the weapon was withdrawn, much has been known about the weapon’s characteristics and the procedures surrounding it.

    You get as worried as you like, old chap, but do so in the realisation that you’re doing so out of total ignorance, and about a weapon we haven’t had for nearly ten years.

    in reply to: No safety on UK nuclear warheads #1791647
    Jackonicko
    Participant

    The sheer breadth of your misunderstanding and ignorance is astonishing.

    WE177 was not armed before take off, it was pre-armed. Since the bomb used a thermal battery with a wax-like electrolyte that was virtually inert until it was melted by a tiny pyrotechnic charge, the bomb had to be dropped to be used. (Except in the Jag, release of a weapon also required the active consent of both crew).

    Nor was the pre-arming key all that simple. The SEF key was a specially designed and unique key with a million combinations.

    The two man principal has nothing to do with numbers of guards. It dictated that anything involving the weapon should involve two authorised and competent persons, familiar with the task in hand. Two men must be present at all times whenever there was access to a nuclear weapon or nuclear component and there should be no situation where one man would be able to make settings on the weapon, or make decisions as to its use, without a second person agreeing.

    The two man principle applied even to two aircraft technicians who had nothing to do with the weapon, and if it was necessary to change a component then the fitter AND an overseer, competent in that job, had to be present. An electrician at Wildenrath was shot for crossing the NLZ line momentarily before the rest of the crew…..

    Meanwhile the use of NLZs (50 yards around the weapon) ensured that your imaginary ‘traitor pilot’ would have been killed if he tried to even approach a bomb alone, let alone steal one. A yellow line across the mouth of the hangar marked the No Lone Zone. The guards had orders to stop, and if necessary shoot, anyone crossing the line alone. And even if they didn’t, they needed proper authorisation to let the aircraft taxy (the nuclear QRA sheds were always physically blocked off from the runways by barriers).

    The idea that one man could have overpowered the guard force and stolen a nuke is risible, and is clearly the product of a fertile imagination unencumbered by any knowledge of UK nuclear practises and procedures.

    When the RAF used the single-seat Jag there were host of additional precautions that made it impossible for a pilot to get anywhere close to an armed aircraft, let alone get it out of the HAS, without proper authorisation, and there were a number of hurdles to clear before the aircraft was released onto the runway. This included a dual key system for the entry door to the HAS, one key issued to the pilot and one held by the RAFP guard at the HAS. The key was issued with a three digit release code which the pilot had to write on a whiteboard just to get the HAS doors opened to taxy. It would have required the co-operation of the armourers, the HAS team, the RAF Police and the security team at the taxiway gates for a pilot to be able to take off without authorisation.

    It almost makes me want to “suicide myself”. (Don’t tell me, that’s a typo too?)

    Don’t forget that the RAF had seen and used PALs (on the RAF Germany Canberra B(I)8s and F-4s) so saw the advantages and disadvantages of the technology.

    Do you know what happened if the PAL failed? “The crew would call in the custodian who would then dial the digits straight in to the bomb….”

    in reply to: No safety on UK nuclear warheads #1791661
    Jackonicko
    Participant

    With the two-man principal, armed guards and NLZ (No Lone Zone) procedures, the nature of the key (which was pretty sophisticated by the standards of the day) is irrelevant.

    And PALs don’t appear to have stopped some of the US atomic screw-ups – most recently accidentally flying six from Minot to Barksdale.

    in reply to: F-15 breaks up in flight. #2549789
    Jackonicko
    Participant

    We heard you the first time, Robert.

    😉

    Even FI is imperfect – partly as a result of the factors listed.

    Nor is it ‘counted in units’ exactly. Units of FI are a percentile of the planned fatigue life – thus:

    100 FI = Planned fatigue life.

    You might consume a tiny fraction of an FI unit in one sortie, or a whole unit (Lightning air combat sorties consumed 1 FI at the end).

    This can be extended by structural programmes (so that some RAF aircraft have gone on to 125 FI) or an aircraft can fall short, requiring re-lifing long before reaching the end of its planned life (thus the 25 FI upgrade to RAF Tornado F3s).

    in reply to: F-15 breaks up in flight. #2549902
    Jackonicko
    Participant

    There’s a great deal of bol.locks being spouted here.

    The accurate prediction of structural life remains a black art even now – which is why a ‘scatter factor’ is applied when life is calculated.

    And unpleasant surprises happen all the time – when the Buccaneer switched from over-water to overland, for example….. or the effect of taxying on rough ground on Hercules fatigue life (and the Herc fatigue meters are in the wrong place, and are inhibited when the aircraft is on the ground).

    Whether the accident aircraft was 25 years old or 30 years old is completely irrelevant. The number of flying hours is a better guide, though one hundred hours of CAP will usually impose less stress and strain than ten minutes of air combat, so a low-houred aircraft may have had more fatigue consumption than a high-houred one, depending on the profiles flown. Nor is it just about the application of g – a rapid pull to 9 g will impose more damage than a gradual application.

    Which is why you have fatugue meters on the jet – and don’t simply count the years in service or the hours flown.

    And then you have the ‘mission-external’ factors – of which corrosion, faulty maintenance, manufacturing and materials defects/problems are just the tip of the iceberg, and all of these factors can be applicable across a fleet, or just to a sub-set of aircraft, or even just to a single airframe.

    in reply to: Nimrod R.1 Serious saftely issues. #2551160
    Jackonicko
    Participant

    Apart from Paul’s reference to a ‘surveillance aircraft’ there’s no indication that this was an R.Mk 1.

    And the BBC are QUITE CAPABLE of calling an MR2 a surveillance or reconnaissance aircraft – since that is what they do.

    in reply to: Eurofighter Typhoon news #2551897
    Jackonicko
    Participant

    Litening is flying on the ISPA, and a live guided bomb has been dropped.

    The helmet will come when the helmet will come.

    At least Typhoon will have a helmet….

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