There are many hypothesis, including that and i think french aircrafts are usually underestimated by many, maybe because of their smaller userbase compared to US or Russian aircrafts, but 1 result, even if we accept the 7-1 as true, doesn’t guarantee a superiority.

no it doesn’t.
But once again, nobody is claiming any A2A superioty over the typhoon.

It is Bae who is spreading that the typhoon is vastly superior to the rafale in A2A for more than 10 years.

In Greece there is surely a big campaign in favour of Eurofighter, which is presented as beyond compare in air combat. I must say that i wasn’t as much shocked by the Rafale kill (even if it is older), as from the Mirage2000 kill in dogfight. In greek magazines the Typhoon is presented as eating 3rd gen aircrafts for breakfast, because it’s the ultimate interceptor. And the Rafale as a better multirole, but not something spectacular in air combat compared to F16 B52 and certainly not in the league of Typhoon.

See what I mean ?
The typhoon is always presented as the ultimate interceptor while the rafale is fine but nothing special in A2A…
But where are the proofs of the rafale being that much inferior than the Typhoon in A2A ?
Both aircrafts have met several times during NATO exercices for the past 3 years and the typhoon has never proved ANYTHING special against the rafale, NE-VER. And if I believe the various rumors from the french aviators, it is even quite the contrary.

I don’t want to ruin your celebration, but the British side may be preparing a “counter-attack”.

According to a greek blog, not quoting source, “the first British testimonies come out”.

A British pilot said there was no air combat (* the greek term used is generic, it could mean generally air combat or dogfight). He said ” We ‘ve no idea on how good the Rafale is compared to us, because we weren’t allowed to go to air combat” (* again, he may mean dogfights).

The second British who appears to be an industry member, says that the stories of Rafale vs Typhoon are unfounded and made a false presentation of facts. According to him, the 2 aircrafts were always flying in the same team. He admits though, that there were air engagements (* again, no way to specify) in the framework of the continuous trainning (CT). In these , partecipated some “young” pilots and the result was unclear. Characteristically he said “Mistakes were made by both sides and there, some results as those referred happened, some on favour and some against the Rafale, but anyway, it would be unfair to put too much importance on results from trainning flights”.

http://fox2magazine.blog.com/2009/12/19/Οι-πρώτες-βρετανικές-μαρτυρίες-για-τι/

Οι πρώτες βρετανικές μαρτυρίες για τις αερομαχίες στα ΗΑΕ
http://fox2magazine.blog.com/

Don’t ask me for the source of this information, i have no idea. I see someone asked the blogger, he says he prefers not to say for now and that it comes from a “reliable webpage”…

True or not, i do not know, but if it’s true, i can already see you in the forum on Xmas Day, fighting on who’s lying. 😀

That ‘s gonna be fun 😀

But once again, french officials (journalist and military pilots) take the risks and sign their declarations with their true name while on the british side it is as usual, anonimous pilots and uncheckable rumors from journalist hiding behigh multiple forum nicknames.

Ah the Day of The Rafale in this forum has come. Till conflicting news come out, It will dominate the forum.

Bae did the same for the Typhoon only with a computer simulation to back its claims… and it last for 15 years :rolleyes:

Now, it is pay back time for the rafale :dev2:
And no bogus simulation to hide the reality this time…

For sure, the UAE do know how to organise a fighter contest :
F-22, rafale, Typhoon, mirage 2000-9, F16bk60… take the best and let them fight ! 😎

Don’t be to sure, I know someone who claimed vaste superiority of the Rafale due a single comment from “Benco” you interviewed at LeBourget, because it took him three turns to gain the advantage with a Rafale M loaded with 2 ETs. 😉

So what we have so far ?

1- Two rafale fanboys claiming rafale vaste A2A superiority over the typhoon without proof.

2- The entire Bae marketing/lobbying team claiming Typhoon vaste A2A superioty over the rafale based on a 15 years old simulation.

I think the truth is elsewhere 😀

Squalls,
But it’s absolutely clear that Rafale did not win the evaluation, otherwise why would Jobim instruct the FAB not to name the winner?
customer

1- It was said by the BAF that the 3 aircrafts met the brazilian requierements.
2- there are strong rumors about heavy Boeing lobying in the BAF to counter the not pro-USA Brazilian politicians. (Boeing can’t enter by the door, so they try the window)

Sferrin,

Kovy,

Still incapable of answering the point? Still banging on about the authors? That’s disappointing.

And what point do I have to answer please ?

Nic,

Even nicer of you to persist with the claim that the double-award winning Mr Lake and I are the same person.

Honnestly, you are the one who deserves these awards.
The man steals all you ideas.

So what is there for the brazilians to codevelop?

You guys can’t have it both ways!

Nic

Don’t ask.
There are plenty of high tech systems to developp for the Brazilian and at the same time, the development is riskfree because all the high tech systems are already developped or will be shortly. Period.

Gripen NG is like a lucky bag 😀