Good news for the Rafale. BTW the article speaks about CMC nozzles, is it known which materials were used on the older engines? It looks like composites were at least partitially used there as well.
I think they are talking about the internal nozzles.
External ones (called cold blades) are 100% composite
BTW, t owake up this thread a little bit :
Rafale M1 during the ASMP-A trials :

photo : Romain VEYRIΓ ( http://picasaweb.google.com/romainphoto1/Rafale )
Germany
United Kingdom
Spain
Italy
Austria
Saudi-Arabia (en route to Singapore)
USA
Singapore
Czech Republic (RAF deployment)
Finland (RAF deployment)
Norway
Switzerland
Cyprus
UAE
Greece
Netherlands
Sri Lanka
Belgium
France π
No, TMor, it’s simpler than that.
Though it’s a flawed equation, it has a fundamental truth.
France (state and industry) will pay a total of about β¬35 Bn and will receive 294 aircraft. EG β¬119 m each (Β£88.49 m)
The UK (state and industry) will pay a total of about Β£19 Bn and will receive 232 aircraft. Β£81.89 m each.
That truth is that Rafale is not significantly cheaper than Typhoon, as has so often been claimed. The two aircraft are within 10% of each other, price wise.
There is an another fundamental truth : there is no naval typhoon.
don’t remember if it has been posted here yet
F-18 vs rafale


aaaaaah active cancellation…
if it exists, it is certainly not the magic system everybody is dreaming about that would make your aircraft invisible to ennemy radar.
most probably it is a system that will work on a few radar systems, probably sam radar, or weaker radar systems like missiles one.
May be the purpose is not to remain perfectly invisible (which seems very difficult) but to disrupt the ennemy traking by making its lock unstable or unacurate.
In fact it is just another jamming tool that would be efficient when used smartly with the other jamming technics.
engagment of AA targets while continuing with AG run at the same time etc
The typhoon MMI can’t do that yet, while it has been a standard feature of the much inferior rafale MMI for at least 3 years in operatial service ?
How is it possible ? :diablo:
Rafale has now degraded to a long range bomber with a huge RCS c/o boxy RWRs and fixed probe…
So’s the fixed refuelling probe, and the boxy RWRs…..
No need to spend millions of euros bying anechoic chamber when some people can calculte RCS with their eyes π
Ok let me edit this sentence then.
“During those exercices, nothing was reported by the media proving the typhoon was far better than a rafale in A2A.”
By the way, the answer to my question seems to be: I have no source for my claim.
You ask me to provide sources on something that did not happen. how on earth can i do that ?
This is precisely what i’m looking for : sources proving that during the last nato exercices, the typhoon actualy showed to the rafale pilots what “second best” meant.
All I have right now, it’s french rafale pilots not that much affraid of the typhoon and her A2A superiority.
And? French posters very often claim Rafale is better than Typhoon, actually I know a French poster who claims it is the best aircraft on earth, even better than the F22.
There is a difference between a french poster lost on one forum, and Bae flooding the internet and magazines for years don’t you think.
The French basically claim Rafale won the “real” export competition each time it looses out, has Rafale actually even lost once due to something else than “evil US politics or evil British bribes”? You make me laugh.
At least, that’s a fact that on 3 of those competions the rafale was the “second best” while the typhoon was the “3rd best” π
when did AFM report that the Brits laugh about Rafale?
Well, it’s the brits who are boasting everywhere for 15 years that their plane is the second best to the F-22… and that everything else is not worth being named a fighter.
So, either the typhoon proves once and for all what it’s worth against a rafale, either the french have the right to laugh.
I’m not saying that the rafale is better than the typhoon, I’m just fed up with this “2nd best” story only based on simulations and Bae marketing power-point slideshows.
I mean, there are more than 100 operational typhoons now… so what are they waiting for ?
British papers and Jacko articles should be full off “one typhoon has shot down a full squadron of rafale during the last TLP”
I just expect to see AFM publish a letter from un unknown guy reporting about how superior the Typhoon has shown
same π
A MN pilot said “there isn’t many thing we can envy to the others”. The least we could say is that this declaration is not very clear, but show it is a close call I would think.
no ! no ! and no !
I don’t want a close call ! I want the typhoon to prove she is the second best (in A2A) to who you know and faaaaaaaaaaaaar superior to anything else especially the rafale. :diablo:
So all the exercises done so far mean nothing? Typhoon proved very well during the exercises it participated.
During those exercices, the typhoon proved nothing against the rafale so far.
Addressing Rafale’s A-A shortcomings mean a new radar, a new engine, a full HMD, sorting OSF properly, etc. It’s a rather more expensive undertaking. Without those improvements, Rafale will struggle to win competitive evaluations which involve any emphasis on A-A. Even against aircraft that are markedly inferior overall (like the F/A-18 and F-15), but which have better A-A capabilities – as happened in Korea and Singapore. The same would have happened had Rafale been properly and fully bid in Saudi Arabia, against an aircraft with adequate A-G capability and better A-A capabilities.
I hope the typhoon will daign to show her wings at redflags this year so that it can eventually prove her so superior AA capabilities… or not
You can’t just boast of this paper AA superiority for ever. We would like to see facts instead of words.
It should make customers more cautious of showing their preferences early on in negotiations. IIRC Dassault complained of exactly the same thing in Korea, & refused to tender in Japan when it couldn’t get assurances from Japan that the competition was open.
Dassault has also quit the Danish contest for the same reason
1- The Rafale will take part in Red Flag, august 2008
2- Rafale M will be deployed on the Roosvelt for 2 weeks in July 2008