Killed in RE8 A3772
Source Airmen Died in the Great War Chris Hobson
The ad is available on the internet somewhere… I think on one of the Triumph Spitfire fan sites
Wing Commander Dredge was killed in Meteor III EE238 of 1335 CU on 18th May 1945.
Source Price of Peace Colin Cummings..
I will post full info later
Regards
Paul
it was not RF605, crew for this was Flight Sergent AW Porter and LAC R W Chalmers
Is it me or does there seem to be a lot of fighting hear recently?
Oi!… Do you want an argument about this?…. :dev2:
OK.. So I have stirred up a bit of a hornet’s nest here… But hey the last time I looked it said it was a discussion forum…
At least one person on this forum have the view that crashed warbirds that have been involved in fatal accidents should be crushed and buried.. I actually do not agree with this viewpoint.. but I respect his opinion…
Someone I know and respect will never now sit in PV202 ever…. again I do not follow that view point.. but I admire his stance….
I for one do not have a problem with HRL anyone else rebuilding flyers, statics whatever, where someone or some people have died in… I would love to see Bluebird K-7 on Coniston Water driven by Gina Campbell…
The problem is as more and more ‘raw material’ is becoming less available in large amounts.. you have to work with smaller bits and pieces… bits that 10 years ago would have been considered unworkable… or bits from crashed aircraft (fatal or not) It is the skill of HRL (and others) that these pieces will become flyable after a period of hard work and time..
In fact a Spitfire historian made the point about raw material fatal accidents this area a few years back in a Spitfire article.. and IIRC asked for a debate about this very subject…
I think setters point is excellent, if you are doing it.. get the ok from those closely affected and wait 5, 10 or ? years before rebuilding it..
However, what I think is missing in this whole area is clarity…. I do not know why HRL decided to start calling PV202.. IAC 161 – but I would imagine a few people would have a guess… also why is PL983 listed only ‘as a rare PRIX’ in the article.. When everyone reading about it will immediately start speculating on the ID and asking on this very forum…. I know I did and I asked an expert in the field the same day and he told me the ID.
The point (the only one) I was trying to make, and still am.. is that once you rebuild one fatal accident warbird to fly… then you have crossed some line. making it more likely that you will build another one in the future, and I have no doubt that there was agonising in HRL over PL983 as well.. perhaps my fault is that I did not spend more time making trying to make this clearer..
..but then again.. perhaps.. if I am in hole.. I should have stopped digging..
What a particularly flippant and offensive statement to make.
Prehaps it could have been better put..
What I meant by that is.. If you have a heart or head arguement about the decision to build a machine that was involved in a fatal accident and you go ahead and decide to build it.. You have crossed a line that some other people may have decided not to cross… It just is simplier to go and do it again because you do not/ or may not have to run through the pros and cons again… Alternatively, if you faced flak before on the decision then you are not going to be affected by any new or additional flak… that is the ‘easier’ bit….
OK.. So after you decide to rebuild the first fatal amchine, I suppose the next one is a liitle bit easier to think about…
But I wonder what should it be repainted in…. PV202 has alternative serial and flys as IAC 161.. So what about PL983?…. No military foreign service… but it could be painted as ‘NC74138’ in the colours of the US Embassy, Civil Air Attache has anyone got a photo of her at this time??
Aerovintage have a Swedish Hart
G
Glenn
Thanks.. I knew it was Swedish.. I knew it was a Hawker Biplane.. However I was uncertain of the type!
Doesn’t Guy Black have an ex Swedish Osprey as well?
I would request that Pope Peter (mk) XII consult his higher council and if necessarily go into self-imposed confiment for mediation and thought, and with any luck he will receive a ‘Vision’ and so lead us to our enlightlement
here endeth the lesson
Ben
Unless I missed something on the archive (thanks for it anyway!) It only reveals
3 ID’s for the MK VIIIs: MT682, MD338 and LV750
That still leaves 2 Mk VIIIs and 2 Mk V’s outstanding!
Regards Paul
I agree..
I wanted something recently so bad, I put in a bid 3 times more what I ended up paying in the end.. But the other bidder, was not prepared to risk this amount of money, he kept on bidding higher than me, but as soon as he topped my bid, my automatic bid came in higher still… This was no sniper software it was ebay’s automatic software
The lesson from this, is always bid the maximum you think the item is worth to you… You may not have to pay this amount, but be prepared that you might have to pay this amount..
I think you will find the report is still available online at the bbc web site
See the Video link at
How many restored ME 109’s/Buchons have been involved in landing accidents?… :rolleyes: