From Google Books
British civil aircraft, 1919-1972 – Volume 1 – Page 166
https://books.google.co.uk/book…
Aubrey Joseph Jackson, R. T. Jackson – 1987 – Snippet view – More editions
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I saw it on Dianeys Lady and the Tramp… “It’s a Moray”
“Then you understand we’re in a strong position for holding out until 30 corps reaches us”
San Diego museM got back to
me re:requesting information about one of our photographs. I did take a closer look at 01_00030316 and the tail number is 7998.
I also think L A Bowen may actually be Lloyd B Bowen
Duggy
Wow, I wonder if that is the same incident.. It looks like it was and I wonder if the aircraft was repaired and flew again they do say ‘
freakish landing’ I don’t suppose you can read the number on the tail in the original image ?
Paul
All
Thanks for your help.
I am trying to identity all US Caterpillars Club members in a list I have up ton end of 1934 – The US Navy records are not a detailed as the US Army ones, and I had a printing error which confused two separate incidents (one of which is this incident) that I wanted to resolve. This lead me to the following news report – My additions are in square brackets, and I have corrected names in original report and added full names where known
The aircraft was of VP-4F as confirmed by Garden’s unit in the US Navy Register of 1934
Here’s is what sparked my interest
Six Navy Fliers Abandon Flying Boat, Land Safe HONOLULU
Leave Airplane 1,100 Feet in Air and Landed Safely With Parachutes. Editor’s Note: The signal which sent. S. D. Kamrar [Simon Dedrick Kamrar, Aviation Chief Machinist’s Mate and Enlisted Airman Pilot], U. S. Navy flier and five of his companions jumped over the side of a stalled flying boat for an 1,100 foot parachute jump reminded Kamrar of a, “hitch hiker flipping a thumb for a ride.” He describes the incident in the following exclusive United Press dispatch:
By S. D. Kamrar. U. S. Navy Aviation Corps HONOLULU, T. H. [Territory of Hawaii] Feb. 17. [1934] U. P.
Lt. (jg) Gaden [Allan Gaston Gaden VP-4F] jerked his thumb toward the-wide open space below us and ordered us over the side and we went for a 1,100-foot ride to earth. It reminded me of nothing so much as a hitch-hiker’s gesture asking for another kind of a, ride. There were six of us in the 4-P-10 [Serial between A7979/A8003 Douglas PD-1 of Patrol Squadron 4 (VP-4F)] flying over Schofield (Schofield Barracks, aka Wheeler Army Air Field] airport at a height of about 8,000 or 9,000 feet when the trouble started. Clouds closed in under us just as the engines stopped. We entered a forced glide as the mechanics tried vainly to restart the motors. There seemed to be something wrong with the gas feeds, and the earth was coming up to meet us at a dizzy pace. I looked at the altimeter. It showed 2,500 feet, which making allowances for sea level, .placed us about 1200 feet up. Just then the lieutenant piloting the plane (Lt. A. G. Garden) gave the signal for the bailout. He just jerked his thumb. T. P. Goley [Tillman Perry Goley, Aviation Machinist’s Mate 1st Class U.S, Navy], who was manning the “camera gun” was the first to leave the ship. William ‘Willie’ Leslie Gruber [Aerographer (Weatherman) 1st Class U. S. Navy and Enlisted Airman Pilot], who was up forward, followed. L. A. Bowen (Aviation Machinist’s Mate 3rd Class, U. S. Navy,) left almost with him from the rear cockpit. I left from the forward cockpit, just as C. P. May [Aviation Chief Machinist’s Mate], stepped off from the rear. Lt. Gaden set the stabilisers and was the last to leave the boat. (We went down mighty fast. It only took about 30 seconds for me to reach the earth. The rest came down as quickly. Within, three minutes all of us were on the ground and unhurt. The ship itself made a freakish landing. It struck on its side and skidded to an upright position. Ordinarily it would have nosed over and collapsed. But all that was damaged was a wing that was broken and part of the hull which was cracked. Bailing out is getting fashionable around here. The day before we joined the ‘Caterpillar Club’ two army pilots [both of 19 Pursuit Squadron, Wheeler Field, Oahu, HI ] had a 1,100-foot ride on the chutes. They were Lt. Demas Thurlow Craw [#O-15860 P-12E 31-586] and Lt. Royden Eugene Beebe, Jr. [#O-18447 P-12C 31-229], whose planes collided. They had slight injuries. It’s all in the day’s work for us.
Sabrejet and Wieesso
Thanks that sorts it. I didn’t expect the bonus of photographic proof!
Will post all the story tomorrow
Paul
Greg
Could you post a scan of picture to see if anyone recognises the background (if of course you can see any background) me thinks 100 Sqn was acting as ‘passenger airline’ across Irish Sea at the time
Dave
Could you please provide a list of 100 Sqn BF Serials in the book – I would like to cross reference with some Losses I have in Ireland at the time
Many thanks
Paul
Greg
Can’t add anything much more. But there was a crew of 7, 5 RAF and 2 Passengers who remain unknown and ‘refused to give their names’ (so they may have been Security Services in some aspect)
I think pilot was Flying Officer James John Williamson, A.F.C
The navigator was Flying Officer Robin Howard Haworth-Booth DFC
The wireless operator was Harold Milne Aspen #138176 later commissioned #35328 who died on 13 August 1940 as a Flying Officer with 53 Sqn aged 45
Other two RAF crew LAC Burrows and LAC Worlsey who I can’t identity further
Crew and passengers were picked up by Cargo Liner Elder Dempster after 2 hours afloat on wing and after Aspen got SOS message out after engine failure. to confirm 100 Sqn, you need to find where Haworth-Booth and Williamson were serving in late 1920 = But again the great experience of crew may indicate something clandestine and fact that info in newspapers not very detailed
http://www.dnw.co.uk/auction-archive/special-collections/lot.php?specialcollection_id=106&lot_id=59501
http://www.dnw.co.uk/auction-archive/catalogue-archive/lot.php?auction_id=356&lot_id=1100
Mark
Thanks for sharing your research
Paul
for anyone who wants to know where this is for sale
http://www.repertoirecollectables.co.uk/a49009.html
http://www.arbuthnotlatham.co.uk/Upload/file/HGPCA7%202013.pdf
It appears 10 Spectators died at Manston that day in Sept 1948, including sadly a mother and her 2 year old son (her other son survived). 3 others were badly injured (though it appears they recovered). You can find names online, but one is incorrectly listed as ‘Frederick Austin’ his correct name was Frederick Edward Rustin,
S. S. D. Bros. & Co. – Aligarh Uttar Pradesh
They definitely made military buttons
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/44-antique-vintage-buttons-misc-457683669
Re Service Record
it is prob
4 AACU Anti-Aircraft Cooperation Units – Changi (Singapore) — Matches Far East Enlistment
Then Iraq
to go 4 S.F.T.S 4 Service Flying Training School (Habbaniya, Iraq) – Flying Training
then probably 70 OTU (not YO OTU) – Middle East
then 71 OTU Ismailia
So Copping never appears to have been to UK, so obviously uniform may have been supplied outside the UK
Two points that I thought could have added to the John Nichols article in the Sun
1) The Button found in the Sahara was I believe manufactured in India/Pakistan Karachi (I do not have a photo of it to hand) but if someone an supply a copy of it then I am sure I can find the reference again
2) Service Number of Dennis Charles Hughmore Copping is 785025 this is in a batch (785000 to 786999) which where issued from July 1940 for ‘Local enlistments in Far East’ – The maximum number that is known to have been allocated being 786379
I assume that the relatives of Flight Sgt Copping have obtained or seen his service records which would denote where he enlisted and was subsequently trained and served, if at any point his service record matches where he could have been issued with button above then though not proof of anything, it provides additional circumstantial evidence
Paul