The Hawker PV4 record of service: Delivered to AAEE (Martlesham Heath – but failed to gain acceptance) 6.35 for performance trials; became K6926 27.8.35; Bristols as Pegasus, Perseus and Taurus (in that order) trials aircraft. S.O.C. 29.3.39.
No accident/incident information!
I accept that this is what is in the Air Britain K File – But I think we can assume that whatever the aircraft was – has NOT got its fate in its history card. Otherwise years of sleuthing would have found it already – and ther eare no obvious candidates in the known history of aircraft.. The answer is in either un-recorded history or mis-reported history..
Thanks for all your suggestions.. I have another one for you (a guess at moment) – the Hawker IPV4 = Later K6926 which was at Bristols on Engine trials – It has a Struck Of Charge Date of 29.3.39 – Which could be a tidy up date. Most of the other Bristol test beds have a known fate and also it seems a bit early to SOC the aircraft – most other aircraft of the same vintage at Bristols lasted until either written off or a bit more into early 1940’s
I am wondering if anyone is seeing Hawker ish parts this could be a contended
http://www.aviationarchive.org.uk/Gpages/html/G3884.html
There is a strong indication Younghusband was working for Bristols at the time, he had recently moved to area and he was paid £5 a week from them for a few months in 1942 until he joined ATA and I have since found out witnesses quoted ‘biplane’ as well
There may (I stress may) be a photo of engine wreckage around or at least more wreckage – I will try and post anthing else I can get
Paul
Jeff
Thnaks yes it is th same guy with typo in Flight no other matching Younghusband in August 1938 Air Force list
John are you seeing any ‘Hind’ ish bits
Out of interest he was killed flying Spitfire TB747 of No. 2 Civilian Anti-Aircraft Cooperation Unit -> Hit ground recovering from dive RAF Langham 23-7-53
This is report of incident at time of the incident in 1938..
Western Daily Press
Friday 26 August 1938
MEN DASH to RESCUE AT DURSLEY
After “Sensing” ‘Plane Would Crash
CLIFTON OFFICER
An R,A.F. aeroplane from Filton crashed into thick woods near Dursley
at about nine o’clock yesterday morning, and the pilot injured.
The Pllot was Flight-Lieut. R. H. Younghusband (38) who is is attached to RAF
Reserve of Officers at Filton, and he was piloting a medium type with a Bristol
engine.
The Pilot sustained multiple injuries, and lies in Gloucester Infirmary. His
condition late last night was stated to have shown some slight improvement, but
remained critical.
The injured officer’s home is at Coombe Dingle. Last night his wife was by his
side.
Flight-Lieutenant Younghusband joined Clifton Rugby Club at the beginning of
last season, and had played for Sutton Rugby Club for some time. He made nine
appearances in Clifton’s first team last season.
The ‘plane was first heard over Durley Gren between eight and nine o’clock, and
it was apparent almost immediately that something was wrong. The engine was not
running smoothly; one witness said it sounded like a “bag of nails being
rattled”
Mr J Wilcox of Woodmancote and his two workmen Mr. Reg Smith and Mr Norman
Kinson of Dursley were the first on the scene. Mr Wilcox was in his farm when
the accident happened, but Smith and Kinson who were outside, saw the ‘plane was
very low, heading for the woods, and sensing something was was going to happen,
started running for the woods before teh accident occurred.
Mr Wilcox and P.C. Checkley of Stoke Poges, Bucks who is holidaying at Mr
Wilcox’s farm quickly followed.
THROUGH THE TREES
The ‘plane had crashed through the trees wrapping itself around the bole of one
tree, completely wrecking the ‘plane. The engine bounded down the steep slope,
and came to rest in the hedge some 100 yards away. The pilot was trapped in
‘plane.
The four men, with assistance, extricated him but had to tear away part of the
wreckage, and cut off his parachute before they could do so.
They rendered first aid with the assistance of Inspector Wickham, P.C. Russell
and P.C. Evans of Dursley and Aircraftsman Trull stationed at South Cerney, who
was home on holiday. A sheep hurdle was brought from the farm, and the injured
man was carried down to Lister’s ambulance, which together with Dr. Stallard had
been summoned. The ambulance could not proceed into the woods, and it was
necessary to carry the pilot nearly half a mile.
He was removed to Gloucester Royal accompanied by P.C. Checkley.
Bit more of the back story on this
I wonder who the new owner is let’s look at the clues
1) it’s a WW1 aircraft
2) it’s off to New Zealand
3) it’s linked to a company making films
Nope no idea
They could all end up here if they need to be restored.. Or Aust NZ or Germany *
* at the moment the only places wth enough expertise
Err i think thats a bit of a sweeping statement, Ray Middleton here in Fort Collins and Steve Hinton in Chino as well as John Muszalla amongst others have all the expertise to rebuild these here in the USA.
Mike Pannell
Cheyenne
I no doubt they have the expertise.. But they do not necessrily have all the other bits you need to do more than 1. Jigs etc all the ones I have mentioned have or are doing more than 1 Spitfire
“
1 goes to Burma for permanent display, plus 50% of the remaining (err, 7.5)
20% go to the local partner. (2)”
Which means tha the 20% will also be for sale and possibly the other 7.5!
They could all end up here if they need to be restored.. Or Aust NZ or Germany *
* at the moment the only places wth enough expertise
Paul
“60” to “140”
See:
http://www.financialexpress.com/news/myanmar-spitfires-to-flood-vintage-mkt/1018568/1
Which kind of explains the discrepacy in the figures
“36 planes in Mingaladon, near Yangon’s current air base and international airport; 18 in Myitkyina in Kachin state in the north; and six in Meikthila in central Myanmar. Others are to be recovered in a second phase.”
Paul
“Packing case” picture used is the same in the Daily Mail
see bottom of this link
Yes, it’s an E-1 flown by Hermann Haase IIRC and ditched 11 may 1940 which makes it a very significant find for Dutch History. The engine and one wing are still to be recovered. Hopefully it will go to Soesterberg.
Cees
This one?
From Battle of France Then and Now by Peter Cornwell
May 11 1940
6.(J)TrGr.186 Messerschmitt Bf109E-“3”
Shot down by flak and crashed in the Waddenzee near the Afsluitdijk 3.30pm. Uffz. W. Haase captured. Aircraft a write off
“W” Haase is Werner Haase
“I cannot help but be surprised at the total number of casualty packs quoted; 20,500. Although this apparently excludes non-combat losses (not sure why?) that is surprisingly low figure. For instance, this is about the total figure of the names on Runnymede alone! “
Is it possible that
1) Number: 20,500 is a pack per aircraft (multiple casualties)?
2) non-combat losses (not sure why?) – Probably because in an accident there is sometimes a person or action at fault and they do not want to upset any relations
not only the wrong ***** state the wrong ***** mine shaft as well! 😉
If that is the case, could the number present in the Aircraft No box be his service number?
Not unless he was a very old trainee it is in following batch! if 317642
316001 to 326000 Oct 1918 RAF – Cadets
even if 517642
505001 to 549999 Oct 1925 Civilians
Seem to remember someone making replica Bakelite parts out of resin with coffee I think mixed in the resin to give it the colour.
Don’t ever go for a job at Starbucks