re: 23/10/42 12 Kittyhawk II
Buz
Thanks for eliminating that!
Contempory report on Coppings Loss from Kittyhawk Pilot by James ‘Stocky’ Edwards and Michel Lavigne
First Published in 1983
28th June 1942
“The order was given to evacuate immediately,” Eddie wrote. “All serviceable aircraft were flown off by the light of a few drums set on fire. They landed under similar conditions at LG-106.” The Kittyhawks landed at their new base about thirty miles east of LG-09 in the dark. It was about nine o’clock and the day had been long for most, but not long enough for F/Sgt Copping. He didn’t make it over the ground convoys who fumbled their way to LG-106 in
the dark, pushing their trucks through the heavy sand.
Fear gripped the fighter pilots when they heard their orders on 29June. “Retreat again,” was the command that came down. The-German spearhead had advanced confidently all day as the Desert Air Force moved further east. By nightfall, the Afrika Korps had reached an area twenty-five miles south of El Daba, providing the Luftwaffe with operational landing grounds close to the scene of the next battle. 260 Squadron of the RAF and the South African fighter squadrons were ordered back from LG-105 and LG-106 to LG-85 at Amriya during the day. ..
Just one note. The book later mentions that Edwards flew ET574 on “13 July 1942” however this could be a typo in book or his logbook (ET575 also on sqn) or the fact he listed his flights by Sqn code letter rather than Serial
Note: No mention of Copping flight to fix aircraft – maybe as this book was written 40 years later they just assumed he was paert of the retreat
Paul
Paul,
Just how big is your Library?
That was a google search
My Air Britain Serial books are at home 🙁
Maybe.. A BIG BIG MAYBE
From KITTYHAWK PILOT
“The following day, 23 October 1942, the last day before the major Allied offensive, enemy fighters put forth a particularly fine effort. 260 pilots were involved in heavy dogfights and Sgt Cartwright recorded: “Pilots racing to go after recent victories. 1st show: 109’s shoot up Mink in N. Crash-lands. 2nd show: 109’s get going again and shoot down B and C — one pilot safe. 3rd show: they shoot down Sheppard (comes back O.K.) and damaged X and O badly. We only get one damaged and Shep got a Macchi.” Pilot Officer Mink, the American, was shot down in the first show by one of the German aces of Jagdgeschwader 27. Warrant Officer E. Tomlinson, one of the new Canadians with 260, was killed and Sergeant Colley was shot down in the second show. In the third show, Sergeant Sheppard was shot down and Kittys flown by P/O Thornhill and F/O Aitchison were badly shot up. It had been a good day for the Macchi pilots. No German claims were recorded for Tomlinson, Colley, Sheppard, Thornhill or Aitchison.
“The big push at Alamein started tonight when tanks advanced,” Sgt Cartwright wrote in his diary on 23 October 1942. The final battle for El Alamein had opened.”
Colley is F/Sgt (Pilot) John C. COLLEY – 1378464 – 260 Sqn (Nefatia, Libya), who died of wounds or injuries received in action 10-3-1943
Tomlinson is Canadian Warrant Officer Eric Tomlinson on El Alamein memorial
Colley forcelanded his aircraft on this date but got back ok…
Australian part = battery a standard commodity component from stores manufactured all over the place in any county
They could get replacement anywhere e.g. I have had tyres on my car from many countries but all the same size!
PS do I see HS-B on Image Orbaz151?
Definitely see “HS” (260 Sqn) code on that
Well Buz was spot on H87-A3 = P-40E-1CU
So Serial will be one of either 420
RAF ET100 to ET519 USAAF 41-24776 to 41-25195 C/N 19287 to 19706
or one of either 1080
RAF ET520 to ET1030 (ET1000-> ET 1030 Manufacturers Error became EV100 to EV130) then EV100 to EV699
USAAF 41-35874 to 41-36953 C/N 19707 to 20786
Maybe
1.11.49 Lincoln B.2 RF469 57 Sqn Shallufa, Egypt Swung on take-off; undercarriage collapsed
Do you know if and where there is a published photo of the Rechlin tested machine you mentioned showing it in 1+4 codes?
Foray
Sorry I personally have not seen a photo of this plane with the 1+4 codes but I have multiple references to it. Paul
OMG!
Of course to the lay person, everything with a roundal is a Spitfire!
20 years ago, if the photos had said 1982 or 92 I would believe it more.
If one and the same and 20 years ago I would gues now long gone 🙁
Mark
Ok can anyone tell if those photos were taken using film or digital ??
260 Sqn “Kittyhawk I’ bases
Source Air Briatin Squadrons of the RAF
Does not tell us much/if anything! Liby/ Egypt? but does indicate the fluidity of the war in the Desert, 33 bases in 16 Months!
Benina 16 Jan 1942
LG 101 1 Feb 1942
LG 115 15 Feb 1942
Gasr el Arid 10 Mar 1942
Gambut 2 23 May 1942
Bir el Baheira 6 Jun 1942
LG 76 18 Jun 1942
LG 115 & LG 85 19 Jun 1942
LG 97 11 Jul 1942
LG 75 6 Nov 1942
Sidi Azeiz 10 Nov 1942
Gambut Main 12 Nov 1942
Gazala 15 Nov 1942
Martuba 4 17 Nov 1942
Belandah 10 Dec 1942
Marble Arch 19 Dec 1942
Gzina 21 Dec 1942
Hamralet 1 1 Jan 1943
Hamralet 3 4 Jan 1943
Bir Dufan 12 Jan 1943
Sedada 17 Jan 1943
Bir Dufan 19 Jan 1943
Castel Benito 23 Jan 1943
Sorman 7 Feb 1943
El Assa 14 Feb 1943
Ben Gardane 2 Mar 1943
Nefatia 8 Mar 1943
Medenine Main 20 Mar 1943
El Hamma 4 Apr 1943
El Djern 13 Apr 1943
Kairouan 18 Apr 1943
Zuara 19 May 1943