Another Myth?
Thanks for the help, don’t suppose any one knows what colours the aztec was painted? Can’t find any colour pics.
Cheers
PaulC
Suspect it was white with red and either black or grey trim but can’t be sure as it didn’t survive for long, being written off in the Lock Haven floods of 1972 I believe.
On another topic, from the dimmer recesses of my brain (and there are few dimmer places: :confused: ) I vaguely recall that Sheila Scott used at least one other aircraft, which she called ‘Myth Sunpip’. I know it might seem unlikely and illogical compared with ‘Myth’, ‘Myth Too’ and the Aztec ‘Mythre’ but can anyone verify whether this was so and identify the aircraft concerned?
On the other hand I could be completely mythtaken….
Wicked Willip :diablo:
Incredible lady – and to think she started off with a Thruxton Jackaroo. The original ‘Myth’ was G-APAM, now converted back to a Tiger Moth again.
Wicked Willip :diablo:
I remember flying in there on the day it closed in Jodel G-ARUH, wonder where that is now. I was learning to fly at the time and it was a great day out.
Suspect that was the event on 16th August 1980, which was billed as the ‘Farewell to Ford’ fly-in and I was there too in Cub G-BFZB. However, the airfield lasted another 6 months as Toon Ghose Aviation had the final 6 months of the lease until its ultimate closure on 10th February 2001.
Happy days and had many flights from there as we treated it as our second home when Shoreham was waterlogged. Even had a couple of flights on Christmas Day in 1978 – well you have to get your priorities right. 😉
The writing was always on the wall after the farmer planted those trees as mentioned by Lee Howard.
Wicked Willip :diablo:
Very angry…….. 😡 😡 😡
Look what has happened to ‘ZP
http://www.jetstream-club.org/rapide-damage/
Jon
My commiserations and best wishes to all the hard workers at the jetstream-club. Thanks for showing me around on my recent visit.
Makes you wonder what satisfaction it gives to people who attack and try to destroy things which can’t bite back and give lots of pleasure to the rest of us.
Hope the Rapide soon recovers.
Wicked Willip :diablo:
It would probably be a safe bet that this is G-BAYL as it is registered in Cornwall.
Doubt it – fuselage was dumped outside at Chirk a few years ago.
Wicked Willip :diablo:
I think I took this shot at Tollerton on 16 May 1971.
Maybe it’s time for a “Barnstormers Photo Thread” 🙂
Excellent shot – can’t compete with that – and first rate idea:D
Wicked Willip :diablo:
Willip26, wow! do you have anymore of HRC??
My father purchased her from Bill and sadly as barry has said she now resides at the bottom of the irish sea, Im sure Barry can relate that story better than i but she was returning from a display in Ireland in 1972, 2 years after Dad had been killed, I remember Mum saying it was as if she didnt want to come home with out him:(
Images of her are allways good to see, i sometimes wonder if one day she will surface in a fishermans net, i still have the log books and, arh well we can but dream;)
Wonder who that was flying in the Tiger on that day. Sorry I don’t have any more, but I do have another nice shot taken at Sywell of the replacement Tiger mentioned in Barry’s fascinating story.
Unfortunately can’t post it as I’ve managed to exceed the forum’s pictures limit but send me a PM if you want to see it by other means.
All the best.
Wicked Willip :diablo:
Thanks Jon
Good on you. Any reason for that choice of registration and why the change from the original one?
I’m coming up to Liverpool later today (well Parkgate on the Wirral actually) and couldn’t find it last time I looked so wondered if it was there still.
Wicked Willip :diablo:
If it happens then it will be a great tribute to one of the most generous benefactors I have had in my five decades in general aviation.
The Barnstormers used all of Bill Tomkins aeroplanes on occasion, especially his unique Tiger Moth G-AHRC which still lies at the bottom of the Irish Sea off Anglesey. We also regularly used Rapide G-AKNN for both parachuting and many other airshow acts including flour bombing and tethered balloon bursting plus formation. The “Brown Bomber” came in very useful all round though I still shiver at the memory of shoe-horning it into his tight and short strip at Apethorpe. A steep slipping turn just missing the weathercock on the village church spire was the right, indeed the only, effective technique.
Bill would lease them to us at ridiculously low rates as I think he liked the thought of his collection being used rather than just being stored either at Sywell or at Apethorpe. I recall £6 per hour dry for the Rapide enabled us to offer it to parachute clubs and teams at highly advantageous prices. Happy days indeed.
He really was a fine English gentleman farmer and aviator who would have been quite horrified at the PC society we now “enjoy” in the UK.
He was killed some 40 or so years ago in a tragic accident at night on the A1 at Stibbington. His Ferrari Superfast went under a badly lit HGV trailer when the lorry driver was crossing the dual carriageway to go northbound from a greasy spoon break. Bill was probably doing 100 mph plus when he hit it.
As can be seen from the photo of the Gamecock he demolished, Bill had more than his fair share of luck. It ran out that night and we lost a wonderful character. I miss him still.
Cheers,
Reaper 69
😎
Barry
Like this Rapide you mean…..and I believe he had a Messenger in similar colours too.
Cheers
Wicked Willip :diablo:
[QUOTE=low’n’slow;1176569]Thanks Willip.
Sadly it appears that two Majors did suffer catastophic failures of its wing structure, both in variants with Continental engines which were a bit heavier than the original Walter Mikron. The jury’s still out as to how “enthusiastically” they were being flown at the time, but the upshot ws the CAA revoked all Certificates of Airworthiness in the UK, so if you find one now, its only any good as a garden ornament!
Steve
Are you sure that all of them were revoked – is there anything documenting this? I’m certain that they were a bit of an embarrassment to both the CAA and PFA but so far as I recall there was no connection to the two accidents in any way.
There were suspicions about the one near Barton but the other one IIRC was a take off from a private strip which went wrong.
As they happened in 1981 and 1976 respectively how come G-BCKP, which was apparently built in 1992, was allowed to keep its Permit up to 1998?
Wicked Willip :diablo:
The lastest on G-ASEA is that the fuselage is in my father’s workshop. Its upside down. I have removed some of the old ply at the front that was brittle. I hope to replace it soon and may be more on the sides. I haven’t done to much on it this year as i have been playing motor bikes. I got my 1949 AJS model 18 on the road and have been working on 1973 Triumph Tiger 750. But after looking at new build Comper Swift yesterday, i must get back to working on my Minor.
Dave
Glad to hear it and are you fitting it with floats just in case there’s a next time…..:)
Seriously though best of luck with the rebuild and looking forward to seeing another Minor back in the air.
Wicked Willip :diablo:
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Ah yes, the days of the Spitfire G-AIDN, Currie Wots, B.E.A., Cambrian and Jersey Airlines Daks and the Saunders-Roe hangar full of Skeeters and the first batch of P.531 Sprites, as I believe the Westland Scouts were originally called.
Wicked Willip :diablo: (once a member of this Forum but now banned…..)[/QUOTEThe Saro P.531 alias Wasp/Scout, don’t recall it being a Sprite.)
Don’t recall it either but that’s what my notes of the time say and if you do a Google search of ‘Saunders-Roe P531’ there are indications of ‘Sprite’ being the provisional name.
Remember the XROE-1 Rotorcycle being there too?
Wicked Willip :diablo:
Heres a photo my late Father took at Fairoaks in 1973,
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1032009/M/
Cheers
Mike Hudson
Here’s another photo of the Desford – this time in its 1960s civilian colours.
Wicked Willip :diablo:
Minor triumph Major catastrophe
If it looks right then it’ll fly right and whilst beauty is in the eye of the beholder the poor old Luton Major has never quite looked right and certainly has never enjoyed the popularity of its little single seat brother.
Was it a weight problem, a powerplant problem or maybe a major structural flaw that caused its lack of success?
I know that 2 of them were sadly lost in fatal accidents including G-AVXG below, which I believe tragically cost the life of a Luton Minor builder.
Also attached are a picture of G-ASWH, mentioned previously in this thread, on the day it arrived on the back of the Stott brothers’ lorry from the west country at the late Laurie Mansfield’s home on Ditchling Common. He was the fish and chip shop proprietor who used to provide the breakfasts and evening fare at the early Sywell PFA rallies and also owned the seaplane version of the Minor (currently owned by one of the members of this forum) and to the best of my knowledge he never flew either machine himself.
I remember the one at Hemswell and also G-AYXO at Stapleford, which was reputed to have flown at least once but been very overweight. Anyone got any Luton Major stories or perhaps even flown one?
Final picture is another of the Jenny Wren taken at a Rochester PFA event back in I don’t remember when.
Did anyone discover the identity of the Luton Meinherr by the way?
Wicked Willip :diablo:
Probably saw you at Eastleigh in my bicycle days when the sun shone every day in the summer.:)
Ah yes, the days of the Spitfire G-AIDN, Currie Wots, B.E.A., Cambrian and Jersey Airlines Daks and the Saunders-Roe hangar full of Skeeters and the first batch of P.531 Sprites, as I believe the Westland Scouts were originally called.
Remember the bicycle days too, having several times cycled from the Sussex coast to such places as Gatwick and Goodwood for the motor race meetings.
Nowadays don’t think I could ride one any more and last time I flew in our Group-owned Cub needed a task force pushing and shoving to manouevre me into the front seat.
Greatest fear in flying always used to be of a midair but now it’s of not being able to get my leg over. 😀
Wicked Willip :diablo: (once a member of this Forum but now banned…..)