INS Vikramaditya’s operation crippled
http://nosint.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/ins-vikramadityas-operation-crippled.html
Navy submarine INS Sindhughosh collides with fishing boat, suffers periscope damage
Major issues with the MIG-29s, unsure of this is limited to just the Navy
INS Vikramaditya’s operation crippled
Barely a week after Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar witnessed the ongoing theatre-level naval exercise TROPEX-15 on board the newly acquired INS Vikramaditya , reliable information suggests that the aircraft carrier’s operation is crippled, owing to issues with its integral fleet of MiG-29K fighter jets.
Nearly 30 of the RD-33MK engines powering the twin-engine MiG-29K aircraft attached to the ‘Black Panther’ squadron have packed up ever since aviation activities got under way from the deck of the refurbished Soviet-era carrier that was inducted into the Indian Navy in Russia in November, 2013.
“The Naval fighter carries out high-speed landing by hooking on to any of the arrester wires stretched across the flight deck. In case it fails to hook, it should take off all over again. If an engine fails during flight, the fighter is forced to do a single-engine landing. But its power to take off just in case the arrester wires are missed is suspect. Therefore, the carrier doesn’t operate too far away from the shores,” a source said.
http://nosint.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/ins-vikramadityas-operation-crippled.html
My point being getting a figure of 350 planes and just saying these are the require number of JF-17s the PAF needs is over simplying things. That is the total number of F-7s and Mirages ever procured.
IAF has ordered and operated over 1,000 MIG-21s over the years, but we are not talking about replacing them all right?
Air forces do not operate like that.
http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/hal-will-take-full-responsibility-for-rafales/
So now in theory nothing should stop them signing on the dotted line?
According to the defence minister, if the Rafale deals falls through, they’ll order more Su-30MKIs (i.e in addition to the 60 odd under production slated for delivery to 2018).
The Chinese and Russians seem to manage without a squadron-sized building block.
That’s precisely my point, the Mirage & F-7 will likely serve in the PAF longer than the MiG-21/27s in the IAF.
Added up the numbers on Wikipedia. Assumed they were grouped in larger squadrons.
Sure, they may order more SU-30s, but these are being manufactured very slowly it seems.
No, IAF will still be flying MIG 21S/27s post 2020, almost definately if Rafale deal not signed and they decide to wait for LCA MK II, that or they will be reduced in size to around the same size as the PAF. Lets also remember the Jaguars are getting very old too.
I would not rely in Wiki and just adding up numbers to get an idea of strength. Air Forces do not work like that.
Many Mirages were cannabalised for spares, many F-7s are in overhaul so rest are used to make up front line numbers, attrition has also taken its toll, and some are kept in storage.
Squadron strength in PAF tends to be similar to other airforces, anywhere between 18-22 aircraft. Beyond this it becomes difficult for a standard squadron structure to manage more aircraft. It’s very rare to see squadrons of more then 24 fighters anywhere in the world, many in NATO have just 12 aircraft.
Russia and China used the Regiment system, which is very similar to squadrons in everything but name.
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According to news reports all MiG-27s are to be retired by 2017.
The PAF has almost 350 F-7s and Mirages. At the JF-17s current production (16 units/yr), it will take about 20 years to replace the fleet, taking the last F-7 retirement to 2035.
Yes, MIGS will be retired and replaced with nothing (certianly not Rafale or LCA) by 2017.
350 is the number of airframes of Mirage and F-7 over the years, and certianly not the number in service. You are deliberatley being dishonest in the argument you are putting across or you know little of how air forces work. It is far more accurate to go by squadrons.
PAF has 15 fighter squadrons. Of these, 4 are F-16, 3 JF-17 and the rest F-7/Mirage. Leaving 7 relatively modern squadrons and 7 older equipped squadrons. PAF will probably want to keep 2 Mirage ROSE squadrons in service and its 2 F-7PG squadrons (which as you pointed out are relativley new airframes and their Grifo/AIM-9L/M capability makes them handy point defence/lead in trainers).
That leaves essentially just 2 old F-7 squadrons and 2 old Mirage squadrons to be replaced. Something that will easily be done by 2020, after which the Mirage ROSE planes will go I imagine.
I really dont know how you came to the conclusion of 2035. Having 350 F-7s/Mirages and 80 F-16s and 60 JF-17s would give PAF a squadron strength of nearly 27 squadrons!!!!!!!
That would be interesting, considering that the MiG-23 was retired several years ago. You think the PAF will retire the F-7 before the IAF retires its last MiG given that the last F-7PG was delivered in 2002?
Apologies, meant MIG-27, not MIG-23.
Well they recently retired a CCS F-7 squadron replaced by JF-17s just a month back, considering more JF-17s will be rolling of the production line you can easily see all F-7s being replaced very soon. Interesting point about the PGs. Talk of keeping them for lead in fighter training and aggressor training.
Irrespective, IAF will still be flying ANCIENT helicopters and planes in terms of airframe age. The accident rate this year alone is probably a good indication of things to come.
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And yet it’s more modern than the neighbour’s soon to be most numerous fighter. Apply that officers logic- and there’s nothing to worry when we are talking about an even more obsolete fighter.
Mock all you want, the fact you can celebrate the fact Indian pilots will be flying in obsolete planes just amazes me.
As an FYI, JF-17 is in service and being constantly uograded in various blocks. Just as the F-16A Block 15 does not compare to the F-16C Block 52+…..
You have JF-17 Block I, II, III. Additionally this means the retirement of F-7s and Mirages. Due to the LCA and Rafale fiascos there is more then healthy chance Indian pilots will still be flying MIG-21s, MIG-23s and Jaguars 10 years from now. If that is not a reality check I dont know what is.
Useless comparing LCA to a platform in service.
If we are choosing to qoute IAF pilots on the LCA , how about this gem
“so late it is obsolete”.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/18/india-airforce-idUSL4N0VR4NV20150218
the approval is for a follow on to the existing Shivalik class frigates, built at MDL, in INDIA. And the subs are to be designed based on the INS Arihant class experience. Again, designed and built in INDIA.
No need to go abroad and no need for big competitions. This isn’t the P-75I diesel electric sub competition we’re talking about here.
You’re confusing the state of desperate fiscal affairs of your native country with that of India. We’ll manage without putting forth a bowl, thank you very much.
I wont stoop to insulting your country, you do that enough by your behaviour.
Tender for 197 light helicopters = approved then cancelled
Tender for Howitzers = approved then cancelled
Tender for Naval helicopters = approved then cancelled
Tender for light transport aircraft = approved then cancelled
Tender for MMRCA = approved now on the verge of being cancelled
Can you see a pattern here? Even the Indian Defence Minister has said there is simply no money, but you carry on posting the opposite, like you posted that the Rafale deal was a certainty just a few months ago….
No money, which is why the CCS approved Rs 1,00,000 crore worth of projects to build 6 SSNs and 7 stealth frigates just yesterday.
Just dont get it do you? No one believes these “approvals” anymore. They just tend to lead to cancelled tenders or years of fruitless negtiations. I could “approve” my wife buying a new car and tell her its fine. Unless I turn up and pay the dealer it means nothing…..
The cabinet can approve a new Death Star and you will spend hundreds of posts telling us it’s true.
Credibility = destroyed
Interesting several of the current posters were adement just a few months ago that the deal was definately happening when I said there was simply no money in the pot. Claimed I did not know what I was on about. Simple, no money = no deal.
IAF Cheetah Crash
http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/armys-ch … red-736360