Nice try Cuito but at the end of the wiki entry it shows that only two economist are blaming this bill as the cause and right below it Clinton says he doesn’t believe this was the cause. This is hardly ironclad proof. Greenspan and Cox are doing a mia culpa because they were fooled by liberals who were cooking the books and covering it up. Fannie and Freddie were giving money to people they knew couldn’t afford it and the Clinton Adminstration pressured the other banks to do the same thing or face heavy fines.

Look at the WSJ article closer. She isn’t offering alternatives just a short term deal for a one time swap out that people close to retirement may want.
A congressional commitee called this meeting that means Congress IS looking into this and I’m sure that the congressmen who listened are democrat i’m sorry socialists.

Oh please Cuito, you don’t have a grasp of reality or the facts for that matter. What’s Obama paying you?

Are you talking about that pathetic 3000 dollar tax credit for each employee an employer has. Like that’s going to make small business hire people. Besides i’ve seen ads from Obama’s campaign complaining about tax breaks for large corporations under the “failed Bush policies” and wants to stop it.

Yeah the democrats showed what a bad idea it would be to in Social Security in the stock market since they caused the stock market to tank to begin with, thank you Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac.

It looks like you are the discredited liar.

old shape you are not the only one who thinks McCain has sold out. The main stream media focused most of the coverage on him when the Republicans were sorting out who would be their guy. The theory was that the media felt that McCain was the most beatable guy against the democratic candidate which was Hillary at the time until Obama was getting a better response. There are times when McCain looks like he’s just phoning this in.

http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=SIRlNUqEdlU
this is more hilarious then when they asked medvedev who authorised intervention in georgia….
im getin interested but i dunt understend why you have oonly 2 candidates and not 10 or more ,and why others quit in free elections?

Ron Paul is right about the Constitution. Only Congress has the power to declare war, but Congress has passed the buck for political CYA reasons.

We usually do have more than 2 candidates but they get no press coverage and they have no money. I believe we will have a Green Party member and a Libertarian running for the office. Ross Perot was the most sucessful (meaning that he got a large amonut of votes, about 25% to 30%) third party candidate in recent history. Also the 2 main parties don’t want to share their power. I believe there should be a third party but any more than that would bring about coalition governments which can fall apart when someone sneezes.

No, George Bush has just socialized America to a far greater extent than any previous president. And your talk about 401(k)s is pure-BS.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/25/palin.tension/index.html

Only in your head, mister. All the polls have Obama up by roughly 10 percent.

And Obama and the Democrat’s are going to shatter that record the second victory is confirmed. You wish the 401k seizure is BS, the Democrat’s are using the tanking stock market as an excuse to roll the 401ks into Social (SO/SO) Security and invest in Government Bonds that earn a mere 3%. I believe that inflation is running much higher than 3% and may go even higher since they have to print more money to cover this 850 (700+150 in bribes to get Congress to pass it) billion dollar bailout.

Your listing the Communist News Network as your source? Well you have no credibility. CNN makes the Nazi’s Propaganda Ministry under Joseph Goebbels look like an honest upstanding operation.

And don’t give me that crap about Obama leading in the polls, again Herr Goebbels would be saying, “Damn these guys are a hell of a lot better than me!”. The last two presidental elections had the democrat in the lead before the elections and still leading in the exit polls but in the end Bush won.

My source about the 401k comes from hot asian Republican babe Michelle Malkin.:) Perhaps that’s why the liberals hate Palin. She’s a babe and the liberal women are all hags.:diablo:

That’s what I should have written in the first place. Thanks clarifing that point.

Well getting back to the topic at hand good old Rep Barney Frank has said that the defense budget should be cut by 25% has well as more tax increases in the future. The Dem’s already think Obama has won and are already making plans to turn us into the United Socialist States of America.
Teddy K is working on national health care and dem’s are holding meetings about taking over the 401ks. Obama also wants to scrap NAFTA and redo other trade deals raising tariffs(Got to pay for all this spending). Gee, raising taxes and tariffs when the stock market is tanking, I believe Hoover did that in the 1930’s that led to the Depression.

You know Barney Frank as well as Chris Dodd and the Chosen One himself (all Democrats who blocked Republican moves) who took money from Freddie Mac and Fannie May to cover up the mess that was made in the sub-prime market and has brought the world to its knee’s and guess what, any attempt by any government to step in and fix this is only going to make things worse.

I would have to say that because the world’s governments are pouring billions into propping up failing banks the world’s armed forces may not have a lot of money to fund current or future programs.

Some comments on various items I have read here:

The only requirements that are listed in the Constitution for the Office of President is that you are born in the US and be 35 years old. That’s it! I CAN RUN FOR PRESIDENT! So enough about this crap about lack of experience from BOTH sides. The so called “experienced, experts” have really f-ed up this country anyway. That being said I don’t want Obama’s socialism. If its so great then why are the 2 biggest socialist nations, Russia and China, doing everything they can economically to get away from it. As for you smaller ones out there, things aren’t looking to good for you either are they?

China right now is nervous. Their economy is tied to the US economy. We buy everything they make and sales are down in the US. China uses that revenue to bring the 21st century to its people. If China has less revenue then they won’t be able to buy the raw materials that they need to modernize their infrastructure. Things may be ok right now down under but this mess has just started to unfold and the Asian markets are tanking.

Someone else said why we are not in step with the rest of the world? Ah… excuse me…. but we are the superpower (at least until the socialist liberals turned us into weaklings). The world bows to us. Arrogant…hell yeah, but we had to save the world from itself during WW1 and again during WW2 because Europe screwed up the peace after WW1. If “enlightened” Europe had sorted things out peacefully in 1914 and avoided WW1 and therefore no WW2 we wouldn’t be in the world’s business except to do business. The majority of Americans wanted no part of both wars but we got sucked into both.

As for us wrecking the global economy…. Hey its not my fault that the “enlightened” socialist governments of the world tied their economies into ours where other “enlightened” socialist were pocketing money hand over first and letting a major disaster unfold. As I said we are the superpower and the world is still bowing to us.

I also agree with the others here who call for this thread to be moved.

The proliferation of advanced Flankers? Oh! You mean the SECOND Su-35BM prototype. Well let me just pull a couple of trillion dollars out of my butt so we can build 2,000,000,000,000 F-22’s for a dollar each so we can deal with this second Su-35BM.:rolleyes:

You can rant all day long about how good the F-22 it is and it is a good aircraft however are we getting our money’s worth? Nope.

Controlling airspace is more than just having a superfighter there’s the C3I network that supports it.

Now if the Air Force had just continued to build F-15’s with new avionics through the 90’s to replace the older aircraft they wouldn’t be in the predicament there in now with the F-15C.

Look at the cockpit and loadout of the F-22 and the cockpit and loadout of the F-35. The F-22 is more cost effective? The F-35 is more advanced and can carry a larger variety of weapons. I know of no upgrade plan to incorporate F-35 tech into the F-22. Now there is a design study called the FB-22 that would turn the F-22 into a strike aircraft like the F-111 but the Air Force has shown little interest because of cost concerns.

So you can’t come up with a future threat but don’t want to admit it. Now if you think we are going to be in a war if Russia or China a couple of hundred Raptors won’t stop the nukes that they would toss at us (Yes they would launch nukes, they are not wussies like we are). Besides Putin wants to be an energy superpower via oil and China doesn’t want to go to war with us because we buy everything they make.

Now if are you afraid that 10 years from now when we go to bed and wake up the next morning that Belgium will transform into a massive military superpower with an army 14 billion strong with 80,000 Colonial Vipers and a 1200 ship navy with 30 supercarriers and launch a full scale invasion of the US because we pissed them off because we keep mistaking them for French well then I guess we better build the F-22.:rolleyes: