The Great US Election Hamster-Wheel Thread (Merged)

Obama staffers caught illegally casting votes.

Obama staffers caught illegally casting votes. Votes withdrawn.
http://palestra.net/videos/play/17691

Palestra.net Finds Evidence of Voter Fraud in Ohio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2onRgtgXkc

12 Obama staffers illegally cast votes in Ohio. Some of Obama’s staff are golden parachute executives that bankrupted Freddy Mac and Fannie Mae by cooking the books. Obama associates with organized crime with the likes of Antoin “Tony” Rezko. Or terrorists like the weatherman. Or racists like the Black Panthers. Or racists, secessionist, separatists like La Raza. Or racist anti-American’s like his minister.

If Obama can’t control his staff or himself why do idiots think he is qualified to run a country?

Obama will do to this country what his staff has done to Freddie and Fannie: cook the books, make things look better for while, till the countries economy and morality collapses even farther.

The Democrats vowed to lower fuel prices; then the fuel prices doubled.

I dont want to get banned or censured, but honestly, do you actually believe ANYTHING that you just said?

Joe the Plumber is lieing because he uses his middle name when he introduces himself? Well I’ve been lieing for 27 years saying, “Hello, my names Chuck Kulp.” How dare I, my legal name is Edward Charles William Kulp II. Dam, banish me to Siberia (nothing against Russia). :rolleyes:

Sorry for the off topic post mods, I just can’t take it.

And for my other friends throughout the world, I apologize for my contribution to this thread. I am not sure what you are seeing in your news overseas, but belive me, this is probably the most polarized this country has been in many many years.

Don’t confuse me with that woman who was just arrested for lying after claiming she was beaten and branded with a “B” for Barrack on her cheek by a black man because she had a McCain bumper sticker on her car.

Thanks for acknowledging some of the Republican water carriers actions are just plain too embarrassing to believe. :diablo:

It has more to do with how accurate or should I say unaccurate polls are than the source. The point about FOX NEWS is yes its bias toward Conservatives and/or Republicans. Yet, more people watch Fox than all the other News Networks. So, why would so many Americans watch Fox News? Well, likely because they agree with its views………

Likely because there is only one right wing news outlet, compared to four or five others that are left to middle.

China’s own CCTV hired off FOX News execs because after all to help run their English language cable channel, if you want to learn how to disseminate propaganda, learn from the best.

Last week I had my arch Republican friend call me about the new Republican hero, “Joe, the Plumber.” I said, “You mean, Samuel, the Liar?” He reacted as if I was making a blasphemous statement towards a god. And this is coming from a Republican who believes no line can’t be crossed and pretty much says anything racist, sexist, etc… that he can think of towards enemies of the GOP. Distraught that I dared to say something bad about Samuel, the Liar, he started rambling off something about “Sharing the wealth.” I ask him what does that mean and how does that somehow translate into Samuel, the Liar being off limits? It was like the deep space probe NOMAD from Star Trek. It was just too much for his programming to figure out an answer. He couldn’t find a canned answer appropriate enough in his programming. I said, is it some sort of Republican code word for socialism or communism? He still couldn’t answer and digressed into a different discussion. So I’m watching the weekend news roundtables and Newt Gingrinch was a guest and talked about “sharing the wealth” as socialism or communism. I knew what it was out of context more than the Republican spewing out his propaganda he’s been told to repeat. Unbelievable!

I also love how every Republican water carrier has to talk about TV ratings as some sort of gauge. Look at Rush Limbaugh. He used his show against McCain in the primaries and look who won the nomination. Shows what influence Rush has on the GOP.

I dont want to get banned or censured, but honestly, do you actually believe ANYTHING that you just said?

Joe the Plumber is lieing because he uses his middle name when he introduces himself? Well I’ve been lieing for 27 years saying, “Hello, my names Chuck Kulp.” How dare I, my legal name is Edward Charles William Kulp II. Dam, banish me to Siberia (nothing against Russia). :rolleyes:

Sorry for the off topic post mods, I just can’t take it.

And for my other friends throughout the world, I apologize for my contribution to this thread. I am not sure what you are seeing in your news overseas, but belive me, this is probably the most polarized this country has been in many many years.

Last week I had my arch Republican friend call me about the new Republican hero, “Joe, the Plumber.” I said, “You mean, Samuel, the Liar?” He reacted as if I was making a blasphemous statement towards a god. And this is coming from a Republican who believes no line can’t be crossed and pretty much says anything racist, sexist, etc… that he can think of towards enemies of the GOP. Distraught that I dared to say something bad about Samuel, the Liar, he started rambling off something about “Sharing the wealth.” I ask him what does that mean and how does that somehow translate into Samuel, the Liar being off limits? It was like the deep space probe NOMAD from Star Trek. It was just too much for his programming to figure out an answer. He couldn’t find a canned answer appropriate enough in his programming. I said, is it some sort of Republican code word for socialism or communism? He still couldn’t answer and digressed into a different discussion. So I’m watching the weekend news roundtables and Newt Gingrinch was a guest and talked about “sharing the wealth” as socialism or communism. I knew what it was out of context more than the Republican spewing out his propaganda he’s been told to repeat. Unbelievable!

I also love how every Republican water carrier has to talk about TV ratings as some sort of gauge. Look at Rush Limbaugh. He used his show against McCain in the primaries and look who won the nomination. Shows what influence Rush has on the GOP.

I agree on the race part. That said, how does one race vote 95% for one candidate that has no experience??? Sorry, that seem a little races to me???

Obama has 11 years in public office; Bush had 5.

11>5

Saying Obama has no experience is a lie.

BTW, 90%+ of blacks have voted democratic in the past few presidential elections; hence, suggesting they’re being racist is ignorant.

Polls have rarely been accurate or even close……..I would do a little research before you take to much stock in the current numbers. As a matter of fact the liberal press will show Obama way ahead………Yet, far more Americans watch Fox News than ABC, CBS, MSNBC, or even CNN. (sometime combined!) Of course FOX NEWS has a much different spin than say MSNBC. Which, shows the underlining current in American Politics.

Combined? No. Not even close.

Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for October 21, 2008

P2+ Total Day
FNC – 1,388,000 viewers
CNN –979,000 viewers
MSNBC –744,000 viewers
CNBC – 295,000 viewers
HLN – 320,000 viewers

P2+ Prime Time
FNC – 2,833,000 viewers
CNN –1,915,000 viewers
MSNBC–1,886,000 viewers
CNBC –186,000 viewers
HLN – 824,000 viewers

25-54 Total Day
FNC – 368,000 viewers
CNN –372,000 viewers
MSNBC – 295,000 viewers
CNBC –93,000 viewers
HLN- 138,000 viewers

25-54 Prime Time
FNC –672,000 viewers
CNN –710,000 viewers
MSNBC –786,000 viewers
CNBC –90,000 viewers
HLN – 338,000 viewers

35-64 Total Day
FNC –660,000 viewers
CNN – 525,000 viewers
MSNBC – 397,000 viewers
CNBC – 153,000 viewers
HLN – 176,000 viewers

35-64 Prime Time
FNC – 1,175,000 viewers
CNN –993,000 viewers
MSNBC –1.067,000 viewers
CNBC –126,000 viewers
HLN –438,000 viewers

Morning programs (6:00AM-9:00AM) P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
FOX & Friends –1,231,000 viewers (371,000) (740,000)
American Morning-661,000 viewers (281,000) (376,000)
Morning Joe- 578,000 viewers (242,000) (274,000)
Squawk Box- 267,000 viewers (90,000) (156,000)
Morning Express w/ Meade- 194,000 viewers (101,000) (127,000)

6PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Special Report with Brit Hume – 1,937,000 viewers (400,000) (820,000)
Situation Room- 1,342,000 viewers (395,000) (631,000)
Race/White House w/d Gregory- 814,000 viewers (276,000) (426,000)
Mad Money– 304,000 viewers (107,000) (149,000)
Prime News-244,000 viewers (65,000) (123,000)

7PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Fox Report w/ Shepard Smith – 2,132,000 viewers (508,000) (931,000)
Lou Dobbs–1,410,000 viewers (412,000) (719,000)
Hardball w/Chris Matthews—1,508,000 viewers (563,000) (872,000)
**Is Your Money Safe (7PM-9PM)—251,000 viewers (106,000) (159,000)
Issues– 388,000 viewers (167,000) (250,000)

8PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
The O’Reilly Factor—3,386,000 viewers (742,000) (1,356,000)
Election Center—1,544,000 viewers (583,000) (818,000)
Countdown w/Keith Olbermann– 2,195,000 viewers (935,000) (1,240,000)
Nancy Grace –1,238,000 viewers (520,000) (715,000)

9 PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Hannity & Colmes—2,743,000 viewers (698,000) (1,157,000)
Larry King Live–1,933,000 viewers (705,000) (1,229,000)
Rachel Maddow Show–2,173,000 viewers (867,000) (1,229,000)
On the Money–197,000 viewers (90,000) (123,000)
Lou Dobbs- 423,000 viewers (152,000) (221,000)

10 PM P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
On the Record w/Greta —2,370,000 viewers (575,000) (1,013,000)
Anderson Cooper 360 –2,261,000 viewers (841,000) (1,142,000)
Countdown w/Keith Olbermann–1,289,000 viewers (555,000) (733,000)
Big Idea w/Donny Deutsch—137,000 viewers (72,000) (98,000)
Nancy Grace –857,000 viewers (360,000) (406,000)

11 PM P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
The O’Reilly Factor–1,711,000 viewers (521,000) (931,000)
Anderson Cooper 360—1,359,000 viewers (650,000) (816,000)
Rachel Maddow Show—818,000 viewers (346,000) (462,000)
Mad Money-168,000 viewers (64,000) (107,000)
Showbiz Tonight– 411,000 viewers (165,000) (169,000)

Note that MSNBC defeated Fox outright in the key demographic for advertisers during primetime.
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/22/cable-news-ratings-for-tuesday-october-21/6684

Whether or not they can stand each other is immaterial. The point is they have the same policies on Iraq, other areas of foreign policy, and the economy.

What alternate universe have you been living in?

McCain went to the White House and essentially called Bush a dumb sh!t in 2006 for not having enough troops to secure the country after Iraq fell in April 2003. Bush, taking bad advice from Rumsfeld and others, refused to increase troop levels as fighting increased in 2004/05/06 between Sunnis, Shia, groups with Al Queda backing, groups with Iranian backing, and foreign Muslims who wanted to participate in Jihad. Only after the fighting was uncontrollable did Bush fire Rumsfeld and accept McCain’s recommendation to increase troop levels. The “surge” has worked.

Bush’s foreign policy is that he has no foreign policy. He has allowed the Department of State to run rampant without any guidelines. Most of the State Department’s bureaucrats are leftists hired during the 12 year period from 1988 through 2000 (Papa Bush and Clinton Administrations). The State Department is probably too damaged by leftist infiltration to be of much use to McCain (this applies to other Departments such as Interior, Justice, Defense, and CIA too). Bush’s laissez faire approach to governing is not good when leftist lunatics are running the insane asylum.

It’s really a tough call here in PA. What I really pay attention to is how the state GOP or DNC is acting and right now the PA DNC along with our governor basically begged Obama to come back to do some more campaigning and they are spending a lot of time here, as is the McCain Campaign. Quite frankly, at this point I think it’s too close to call either way.

Man on the street observation: Totally mixed bag, I have “conservatives” voting for Obama, I have socially liberal people that want nothing to do with him, and then I have completely ignorant people who only watch CNN, FOX, PMSNBC etc etc and they’re for Obama, of course. These are all people that I know and have talked to where I live outside Philadelphia with incomes from 30,000 to 500 grand plus.

Best thing I ever heard to explain Obama: “If you believe, that Obama believes, whatever you believe in, vote Obama.”

Honestly, I know politicians lie cheat and steal, something must have been in the water where they grew up. But holy crapola, this man promises EVERYTHING, and please don’t deny it. Its so blatantly obvious to anyone who pays attention so don’t even try.

BTW, the only reason McCain is even getting my vote is to keep Obama out of Office. I can only hope McCain isn’t as bad as I’m afraid he is going to be. Now if the remark I just made doesn’t explain how I feel, I’m not sure what else to tell ya.

And I will make one more, “ahem”, demand. Don’t even try to pull the race card on me, just don’t even think about going there because you can call me a warmonger or whatever the hell else ya wanna, but don’t, do not drop the race card. Those that do show everyone their cards and they have a pair of twos, not a dam leg to stand on. It is the lowest common denominator and it annoys me to high heaven.

I agree on the race part. That said, how does one race vote 95% for one candidate that has no experience??? Sorry, that seem a little races to me???

God must be talking to you in your visions telling you who is going to win the election. I guess that’s how you come across with information far more accurate than two dozen media and polling organizations.

BTW, Fox News, which is close to God to some of you, has Obama up by 9 points.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,443343,00.html

It has more to do with how accurate or should I say unaccurate polls are than the source. The point about FOX NEWS is yes its bias toward Conservatives and/or Republicans. Yet, more people watch Fox than all the other News Networks. So, why would so many Americans watch Fox News? Well, likely because they agree with its views………

So, do you believe Obama is ahead in Pennsylvania an is likely to win the state on election day. Also, what has been your experience on the street???

It’s really a tough call here in PA. What I really pay attention to is how the state GOP or DNC is acting and right now the PA DNC along with our governor basically begged Obama to come back to do some more campaigning and they are spending a lot of time here, as is the McCain Campaign. Quite frankly, at this point I think it’s too close to call either way.

Man on the street observation: Totally mixed bag, I have “conservatives” voting for Obama, I have socially liberal people that want nothing to do with him, and then I have completely ignorant people who only watch CNN, FOX, PMSNBC etc etc and they’re for Obama, of course. These are all people that I know and have talked to where I live outside Philadelphia with incomes from 30,000 to 500 grand plus.

Best thing I ever heard to explain Obama: “If you believe, that Obama believes, whatever you believe in, vote Obama.”

Honestly, I know politicians lie cheat and steal, something must have been in the water where they grew up. But holy crapola, this man promises EVERYTHING, and please don’t deny it. Its so blatantly obvious to anyone who pays attention so don’t even try.

BTW, the only reason McCain is even getting my vote is to keep Obama out of Office. I can only hope McCain isn’t as bad as I’m afraid he is going to be. Now if the remark I just made doesn’t explain how I feel, I’m not sure what else to tell ya.

And I will make one more, “ahem”, demand. Don’t even try to pull the race card on me, just don’t even think about going there because you can call me a warmonger or whatever the hell else ya wanna, but don’t, do not drop the race card. Those that do show everyone their cards and they have a pair of twos, not a dam leg to stand on. It is the lowest common denominator and it annoys me to high heaven.

Yes, far more Pro-Americans living in Real America watch Fox News.

The Liberal Media and Hollywood are good at telling Americans how they think. Funny, thing is Americans like to think for themselves.:D

No, I know them neither better nor worse because of that. The fact that you have seen them live is insignificant, unless you spent three weeks and went fishing together. These men are trained and paid for pretending something (someone) their voters want to see..

While, I haven’t spent three weeks with any of them. I have personally spoken to many about various topics. Which, is a lot different than shaking someones hand at a rally……The latter I would consider as “seeing someone” not “meeting someone”. (i.e. interaction) As a matter of fact few meet with a candidate during a election. They are just to busy unless you have some very serious clout forget about it………..If, I go to a Rally…..I see a Canadidate. Which, is not what I am talking about.

God must be talking to you in your visions telling you who is going to win the election. I guess that’s how you come across with information far more accurate than two dozen media and polling organizations.

BTW, Fox News, which is close to God to some of you, has Obama up by 9 points.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,443343,00.html

See, there are some crazy Americans, including myself, that don’t trust the media or the government because, quite frankly, they’re a little too “friendly”.

I dont know whose going to win, I never claimed that. Reading comprehension, maybe you should try it sometime. But I do know one thing and that’s that this election will be close, either way, and only a dam fool who has no idea of who is the “mass media” would think otherwise.

Yet, far more Americans watch Fox News than ABC, CBS, MSNBC, or even CNN. (sometime combined!)

Yes, far more Pro-Americans living in Real America watch Fox News.

Some of you gentlemen are realllly hilarious. I swear half of PMSNBCs “news people” are are the current topics posters.

Oh and by the way, if you really believe what the polls show right now, I’ve got something to sell ya for an enormous price, but all I can tell ya is you reallly reallly need it but you need to pay me first. If interested, please leave you’re SSN, bank account info or major credit card information.

So, do you believe Obama is ahead in Pennsylvania an is likely to win the state on election day. Also, what has been your experience on the street???

Some of you gentlemen are realllly hilarious. I swear half of PMSNBCs “news people” are are the current topics posters.

Oh and by the way, if you really believe what the polls show right now, I’ve got something to sell ya for an enormous price, but all I can tell ya is you reallly reallly need it but you need to pay me first. If interested, please leave you’re SSN, bank account info or major credit card information.

God must be talking to you in your visions telling you who is going to win the election. I guess that’s how you come across with information far more accurate than two dozen media and polling organizations.

BTW, Fox News, which is close to God to some of you, has Obama up by 9 points.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,443343,00.html

:confused: You got a rather strange definition for the word ‘half’.. Ever watched polls in your life? :confused:

Polls have rarely been accurate or even close……..I would do a little research before you take to much stock in the current numbers. As a matter of fact the liberal press will show Obama way ahead………Yet, far more Americans watch Fox News than ABC, CBS, MSNBC, or even CNN. (sometime combined!) Of course FOX NEWS has a much different spin than say MSNBC. Which, shows the underlining current in American Politics.

Some of you gentlemen are realllly hilarious. I swear half of PMSNBCs “news people” are are the current topics posters.

Oh and by the way, if you really believe what the polls show right now, I’ve got something to sell ya for an enormous price, but all I can tell ya is you reallly reallly need it but you need to pay me first. If interested, please leave you’re SSN, bank account info or major credit card information.

what do you mean?

Some of you gentlemen are realllly hilarious. I swear half of PMSNBCs “news people” are are the current topics posters.

Oh and by the way, if you really believe what the polls show right now, I’ve got something to sell ya for an enormous price, but all I can tell ya is you reallly reallly need it but you need to pay me first. If interested, please leave you’re SSN, bank account info or major credit card information.