Fair comments sir,
I suspect I would have felt much the same if I had found such an item, although I would have only been a teenage when this particular aircraft was recovered, and as such not had any idea about it, let alone the ability to try and rebuild it.
I trust people wont feel too much resentment considering the passage of time.
As I say the web site will be accessible to every one, and perhaps as some one ‘has to do it’, it happened to be me for the time being, and at least it has stayed in the UK.
If any one has any further historical points of interest on this aircraft regarding service, recovery etc, I will try to add what I can to the site by way of recognition.
regards
Jon
Does anyone know anything about this one ?
It’s dataplate was recently on sale on eBay
I thought I recalled the serial and I was right, its listed as a “survivor” in the book “Spitfires and Polished Metal”, this is the entry…
I thought the following might be of interest to you.
The aircraft you are asking about is Spitfire Mk II b P8208.
Dilip Sarkar had a recovery team that pulled the remains out of the river Severn back in the 80s.
You can read and view images about the recovery at my web site in the MkII section.
http://www.spitfires.talktalk.net
The point of interest that led this to be listed as a survivor was due to the fact that absolute identity of the remains was confirmed by retrieval of the data plates along with the wing repair plates that bore the call sign P8208 as well.
As you can see in the pictures, there was a quite lot of wreckage extracted.
As mentioned it was then exhibited and later sold to a dealer.
The propeller went elsewhere..dont know where, but the rest
I purchased these along with the data plates back in 2005.
The hope is to use as much original material as possible to reconstruct the cockpit area from Fr5 back to about Fr 13.
I could do more beyond Fr 13 or 14 but it would nearly all have to be new fabricated. Plus it starts to get a bit big for the workshop ! I will probably take the end of the top longerons as a good ‘cut off’ point for the time being.
I have attached a couple of photos of a recent ‘hang up’ of some of the frame sections intended for the rebuild. There is also alot more stuff, but much of it needs heating and straightening before it can be put in place.
I will try to keep the web site upto date as we slowly proceed.
I hope you find this of interest.
regards
Jon
Incidentally,
I am trying to find out as much as I can on the history of a relative, P/O (later SqLdr Walter John Lawson)
He was based with 19 sq Fowlmere, I think either 1939 or 40 onward.
He had some success in combat, shooting down 6 aircraft, and was reported MIA 28 aug 1941 after a circus over Rotterdam. He flew Mk 1 & 11 spitfires, call sign QV-K QV-J and I think QV-I.
I have a photo (although rather small) of him flying in QV-J.
Prior to this I am aware that he flew X4170 a few days before P/O Oxspring and made a succesful forced landing at Eastchurch.
I am aware that he was present at the Duxford press day 4 May 1939, as I have a still photo taken of him with George Unwin ,Brian Lane, and Bernad Jennings but can find nothing more.
Although I recall seeing a clip on TV once I havent been able to find any links to the Press day footage, does it exist anywhere ?
Any further info would be most helpful.
Incidentally, to avoid confusion, messages from Jon.R & Graham H same person.
I used a friends AF access while mine was ‘down’.
regards
Jon
Am sure I have some notes on “Farmer” Lawson tucked away. Will see what I have.
Am afraid the photo is certainly not of X4170.
Ahh, my mistake, must have mis-labeled it in my archive, I will correct it.
I have a few pictures of various early 19 sq Spits. Do you know what ? QV-call sign was allocated to X4170 when it was with 19 sq ?
The call signs are of course much clearer than serials in many of the photos, I might yet be able to help.
P8208
Good afternoon fellow Spitfire fans.
This forum has appeared quite often during my various searches and some of the questions I feel Im in a reasonable position to answer.
I note there have been a number threads discussing P8208 and questions over its current location and condition.
As you will probably know this aircraft was recovered by Silip Darkar back in the 80s. It had spent its life up to this point in the river Severn, until it was recoverd by a large team and a couple of helicopters. Quite a large amount of wreckage was recovered followed by a stint in a museum until most of the remains were sold to a collector.
Since then the collector put the remains and identity of P8208 on the market, and was purchased by us at Rad Aviation in Oxford during 2005.
The intention is to as far as possible reconstruct P8208 back to a static (possibly taxiable static with a Merlin III) display condition. As its history and service is reasonably well known and the fact that it originated from the BoB 303 sq it makes this particular project well worth while to preserve this aircraft and its history for future generations.
We intend to use all the remains we have and also as far as possible use components, fuse parts, and engine bearers etc from a large collection of original Spitfire parts we already own. Obviously where new items have to be fabricated we will use correct materials and build methods.
Hopefully we will be able to produce a symathetic restoration.
To ensure we are not the only ones who get to enjoy this project, we are currently putting together a web site which will soon be live to show our progress. We hope to include lots of interesting close ups of cockpits and engines, finished polished items, no doubt a few skinned knuckles, as well as bent bits of metal gently being heated, rolled, etc back into original and recognisable shapes.
The site will also show progress on our other Spitfire project. A MKVIII we purchased from Australia and crated over in 2003. This is provissionally identified as JG 668 from the basis of the large number of parts from the original aircraft and components marked and originating from this aircraft.
I hope adds some clarity to the questions .
regards
Jon R