Sad news about VLE.
Nice shots though.
But they aren’t gonna shoot you down for not saying it.
No, but as I said they will ask for it and its a reason why we need to know our altitude. Calling back with ‘uh, didnt know I needed to know it’ wouldnt be good enough.
They had a “visual reference” – its called the artificial horizon. They chose to ignore it and chase after airspeed readings instead (incidentally completely ignoring altitude). If they’d paid heed to it, they wouldn’t have stalled – unfortunately it is more or less that simple.
Really? So considering there was many error messages how could they be so sure the Artificial Horizon was working? Was it actually working at all?
Its great to be able to read an accident report and for you to make up your mind what happened and pass judgement and make people out to be incompetent, thing is none of us really know what they went through and reading an accident report is alot easier than dealing with the situation being thrown at you in the air.
Used to be.
Used to be an ATPL with 20,000hrs… or a PPL student with 5hrs training? I’m not trying to discredit you in any way but it appears to be that you disagree with every pilot on the forum and are making us out to be incompetent.
Arrgh!
See – this is what is really annoying me.
Youse are unable to differentiate between nice to know and need to know. It is reflective of the greater problem here.
If you don’t know your altitude, but do know you aren’t going to hit the ground anytime soon – then you don’t need to know your altitude. If you don’t include the altitude in your ATC call, you are not going to burst into flames instantly, killing 300 odd people.
Do you not see the difference between primary and secondary concerns?
Its not that i’m unable, its that you seem to think theres information thats given to the pilot that isn’t really needed which isnt really true.
If you dont include your altitude in your call to ATC they’ll probably ask for it 😉
I do understand primary and secondary concerns however most of this was started with your AF447 outburst and no one properly knows what went on that night. Assuming they did stall – a stall, over sea in the middle of the night with no visual reference is no laughing matter.
You still didnt answer my question as to whether your a pilot of some sort or not?
Very interesting indeed 🙂
EGTC mentions altitude for air traffic – yep. But thats not gonna kill you unless someone else crashes into you. Also, if your in an air traffic zone and they can track you – you have a completely independent source for ground speed and altitude.
You spoke of not needing things like the altimeter and said you dont need to know your altitude under VFR. I stated the reasons why you do need to know. I mentioned nothing about crashing in to things.
It doesnt matter if they track you or not, in certain calls to ATC you state your altitude, even if making a call to a station that doesn’t have radar facilities. You even plan your altitude before flying when filling out a flightplan etc. So even under VFR you need to know your altitude.
Do you fly as a pilot at all? Just curious and not trying to provoke you.
Primate, I should of clarified my post was aimed at Amiga500, not you 🙂 I understood what points you were making 🙂
Very nice 🙂
You still need to know your altitude when flying VFR, especially when transiting through an ATZ, conversing with air traffic control, flying in the circuit, complying with the rules of the air regarding to height above specific obstacles etc.
The cardington one may of been a balloon being developed there and the plane may of been passing by heading to hold at Stewartby inbound to Cranfield, possibly?
Sounds like you and Mark V saw the same formation as he also has a topic on this too.
Excellent. Alot of types I have never seen before 🙂
They were amazing. Thanks for sharing that. 🙂
They were amazing. Thanks for sharing that. 🙂
You’re quite right!
I’ve seen G-RULE at cranfield quite a few times.
Nice shots there. G-BUCA has a nice livery.